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User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-07-01T13:46:26Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

This account is abandoned. Thanks for helping SgWiki keeping it safe.

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-05-29T07:26:20Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Autoblock request */ new section

Just add what you want on my talk page

== Autoblock request ==

Hi admin, can help to unblock the autoblock because I got autoblocked by another user. The ID is #32092

User:Draconite Dragon

2025-05-01T05:08:44Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Removing contact number as this is considered a private information

Info about me:

I'm a bus enthusiasts who love Scania K230UB especially if it had loud radiator and kickdown and also all bus that is below Euro 4 and below, Volvo B9TL (Voith DIWA), MAN A22 (ZF EcoLife) and Alexander Dennis Enviro 500.

Observations undergoing:

1. SBS8976H had seen on random AMK freeder so I think it is change to spare but I will observe.

Discussion:

1. Should we implement On Time Arrival (OTA) on services like this format:

- This service is under On Time Arrival (OTA) daily.

- This service is under On Time Arrival (OTA) on Weekends and Public Holidays.

If you have any feedback, you can edit my page and reply the comments down below.

And also you can feel free to DM me through WhatsApp and my contact number is [phone number removed].

Thanks 😊!

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-04-28T11:35:54Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Replaced content with "Just add what you want on my talk page"

Just add what you want on my talk page

User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox

2025-04-28T11:13:04Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Blanked the page

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-04-28T11:12:51Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Removing as it is already passed the check

File:SBS9816E 225G.jpg

2025-04-19T02:33:46Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Reminder: Images must be credited when uploading from other websites

Credits to https://businterchange.net/busphoto/displayimage.php?pid=11666

File:TIB764L 700A.jpg

2025-04-19T02:32:36Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

Credits to https://businterchange.net/busphoto/displayimage.php?pid=3797

File:SMB1410D 700.jpg

2025-04-19T02:31:46Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

Credits to https://businterchange.net/busphoto/displayimage.php?pid=7384

User talk:RobloxXF

2025-04-19T02:21:32Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */

User talk:RobloxXF

2025-04-19T02:20:05Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */

User talk:RobloxXF

2025-04-19T02:19:30Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */ new section

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-04-19T02:15:35Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Clearing out as not needed

'''WARNING:''' If you need to edit my userpage, ask for permission on my talk page before editing

Hi I am InquisitorViolator7533 but you can call me Inq for short. I only edit services that are from the east side of Singapore such as Bedok, cuz I live there. The reason why I decided to join is because I would like to know what happened in SgWiki. Please note that I do not edit on other sites related to SgWiki or Wikipedia such as FANDOM, thats because I dont have an account :/

I have created a [[User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox|sandbox]] page for my personal try-outs

This userpage is WIP

Take note I only focus on east services. If you asking why I edit services on other sides instead of east because of images with watermark, but take note, focusing on EAST.

User talk:Shaun

2025-04-19T02:15:04Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images */ new section

== Images ==

I have no idea how you get the images. Is the images come from your camera? Or did you take it from other website and upload without credit? I hope you can understand who am I talking to and prioritize this correctly because its not good for images to be not credited.

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-04-19T02:13:19Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* This wiki is messed up */

Just add what you want on my talk page

==Users stance==
===Why I prefer non-watermark images?===
After all the days giving me relaxing feelings, I decided to remove LTG watermark images and request to replace with non-watermark images. That is because, you know things like affecting the infobox with no contact, can involve into Google search which confuse people someting like this:

[[File:SgWiki LTG image popped up on search results.png|center|300px]]

And I have noticed a user who was being warned because of this situation as you can see [https://sgwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Shaun&diff=668249&oldid=661926 here].

What about Facebook? Do Facebook use copyright? To get into this, we dont know either. Man this can lose my brain because of this

Because of that, its recommended you read this first: https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/CA2021

==Copyright==
Dude why you blaming me for putting ltg photos, in fact I was skeptical about putting those photos. I put those photos in Q4 2024 for the creation of bus svc pages when other editors were putting ltg photos on the bus model pages. I didnt want to get scolded by the admin and other editors, I slowly then changed to non ltg pics in Dec 2024. In fact, did you know ltg photos can be used if not for commercial use and promotional advertising with credit given? Sgwiki is an educational resource platform (not commercial and advertising) meant for enthusiasts to learn more abt certain buses so LTG photos are acceptable. Finding non-watermarked pics are just even worse. Since ltg has a proper copyright notice whatsoever, non-watermarked pics that are posted on websites (e.g. Instagram, Flickr, etc) have their own copyright laws protecting their users from copyright especially the All Rights Reserved titles on their pics (unless otherwise stated like ltg). Do you want to get sued?? or do you have intentions to kill sgwiki like everybody else. Do check the upload log time stamps to show that i was transitioning.

Bro, other people business how come become yours. If they want to talk to me abt ltg watermarked pics then they come talk to me not you. Anyways abt sgwiki getting sued is probably due to recent vandalism on the pages, a lot of people have been trying to gather alternatives like creating a new sgwiki or hack it and bring it down. Sueing is also possible to get sgwiki down and what to do after sgwiki goes down??

== Regarding pictures ==

I would like to make things crystal clear to you.

First, I am already solving the issue of images here. I have completely no understanding of why this was brought up again to everyone and to me when I am busy! Bear this in mind, I am doing my best here creating complete pages and emphasised that replacing images come in last place!

Secondly, user Sgbusntrain is a respected editor who has also invested his time creating a handful of Bus Service Pages. Please at least know that it is already not easy for him to put in the hard work and efforts in sgwiki. Please withdraw your remarks to Sgbusntrain given that he was already aware of the situation.

Thirdly, with regards to your reply in the Buses talk page "You can a link added for crediting. But, we dont know either", are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?

https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3463239?hl=en

Please read the part on "What if I state that no copyright infringement is intended?". That is Google's official stance to your Flickr suggestions. I also doubt that you have even read the relevant Singapore legislations through the link given or even read though Flickr/LTG copyright notices.

Thanks and Regards

===Response===
For the record, I used only 3 Flickr images for 3 bus service pages. These are properly sought with permissions, I go around outside of sgwiki asking around whether I can use these for sgwiki. When I finish the work on sgwiki, I show the completed work to the original photographers, asking them for feedback for improvements to the bus service pages. As for the rest of the 95%, I used my own images.

The two Singapore Buses images that you uploaded are ok. But right now, all efforts should be put into making complete Bus Service pages and maintaining them first. The content is more important than the images, so please calm down. I will have more time to sort out the images for the wiki if users like you really put 100% concentration on the content.

Thanks and Regards

===Side note===
If you really want to help in removing LTG images, you can compile a list of bus service pages that are using LTG images and list out the bus services to my talk page. I will sort that out.

== Watermarked images ==

Those were older photos I uploaded. Recent ones are all not watermarked

== Service 251 ==

Why did you blaming me for creating Bus Service 251. The information I start is correct. Is this how you want to blank Bus Service 251 page? Do check other pages I created which are correct information because I have the right to create with good information. Are you a serial suspect? I seek what you are doing. Dont be so funny

RobloxXF

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-04-04T11:14:32Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* This wiki is messed up */ new section

File:SBS8991M 974.jpg

2025-04-01T14:15:27Z

InquisitorViolator7533: This image comes from a Facebook user name Singapore Buses. Can at least credit before uploading and not crop for the sake of playing hide and seek

Image credits to Singapore Buses on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12HCUtzZA7c/?mibextid=wwXIfr

User talk:RobloxXF

2025-03-31T17:11:16Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* New Bus Service Pages */ new section

{{Warning Point|7 March 2025|Disruptive Editing
<hr>
Please edit properly for the change in deployment by (1) updating the Bus Deployments by Model for '''both current and former''' deployments, (2) respective service page for both '''current and former''' pages.

If you are updating because you spotted the bus and not due to a change in deployment, please use the respective '''bus spotting page''' instead.

If you believe that the bus is just a cameo or possible deployment change, with no concrete evidence, please use the respective '''bus spotting page''' instead.

To differentiate between a permanent and a cameo, please observe the deployment of the bus over a period of 1 week (minimum), as bus may be redeployed away from it perm service due to maintenance schedule.
<hr>
Your recent edits were reverted due to failure to update former deployments.
}}

== Welcome to my talk page ==
Hello, sgWiki users, welcome to my page. Before you can me a message in my talk page, I advise you to read the rules for my talk page first
=== Rules ===
#Use the new topic if you want to start a message
#Any harassment messages will be deleted
#No typing in all caps
#If you did not add this format == xxx ==, that means I dont know what topic are you talking about
#If I sent the same message to different people like username 1 & 2, your message must come like this: == Re: xxx == === from (username 1) === Your message === from (username 2) === and so on. Heres an [[User talk:RobloxXF#Re: 184 and 302 bendies|example]] of how this should be formatted

If I did not reply, sorry I was busy doing with other stuff

== From Hearmeout ==
Please stop adding nonexistent arrangement thanks

== Re: 184 and 302 bendies ==
=== From Shinjuku184 ===
Hi from my observation the 184 and 302 bendies are very likely to be interchangeable but I'll continue to keep an eye on them. As for 176 and 190, I have seen A95 E6 B2 and B9TL from 190 running on 176 but that was a while back.

Re: Hi for the 302 bendies, 8024 and 8034 were operating for the past few weeks but they seem to have returned to 184 and replaced by 8032. Random DDs like 6025C (301) has been running on 302 instead of bendies recently.

=== From TIB1152X 190 ===

Most of the time, bendies seem to be in their respective perm services.

Also, if you realise, 190 and 190A morning Peak seems to have bendy crossover, not sure is from 184 or 302.

Interchangeable for DDs seem to be common between 176 and 190 but not really on 184. I would say 5018C act like a spare bus these days. Didn’t really see the crossover of 190 buses to 184 on Weekdays but other crossover from 190 exist such as 190x302, 190x180, 190x868E and 190x991 etc.

=== From Alphabetlorefan1 ===
Hi, I dont think 184 and 302 bendies are interchangeable, but hopefully it might be, unless otherwise stated. I will observe it again at a later date. Also, with the 176 and 190 DDs, it is indeed interchangeable, I have seen these perm buses doing the reverse services at some days. Thanks.

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21 August 2024, 19:00

== Bus Service 991 ==

Hi,

I am certain you go out during Off-Peak hours which explains why you didn’t see 991 SDs. There are 2 perm duties of 991 which is done by SDs, of which 1 of them perform crossover to Bus Service 975A in the evening. They depart CKI to Bukit Batok at 0800++ hours stretch of timing. 991 have never receive any downgrades/upgrades and neither did their schedule change.

== Re ==

Hi,

You may refer to this two pages for more information.
* [[SgWiki:Manifesto 2025]]
* [[User:Supernutorcrazy/sgWiki Buses Improvements FAQ]]

== About SMB244Z ==

Can you tell me when this permed 300? I have never seen it. If you think its wrong, I hope admin can revert your edit.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 19:21

== Regarding New Bus Service Pages ==

Hi,

You might want to refer to [[Talk:Bus Deployments by Service]] for more information on how you can help completely. As work is extremely hectic, we need '''fully complete pages''' in order to make bus service pages as much presentable as possible. Your full cooperation is appreciated.

Thanks and Regards

== New Bus Service Pages ==

Take note of how you can start a bus service page. Let me show you how. This was taken from 197 as an example:

<code><nowiki>{{Travel Advisory|S197=showonly|ClementiBCM=showonly}}
{{Infobox
|title=Service 197
|info=
{{Infohead|Route Information}}
{{Infoline|Route|[[Bedok Bus Interchange|Bedok Interchange]] ↔ [[Jurong East Bus Interchange|Jurong East Interchange]]}}
{{Infoline|Route Length|31.4 km (towards Jurong East) 31.7 km (towards Bedok)}}
{{Infoline|Travelling Time|130 mins (2 h 10 mins)}}
{{Infoline|Operator|{{SBST}} ([[Clementi Bus Package]])}}
}}

{{SBST/1| Bus Service 197}} serves major areas along Bedok, Marine Parade, Guillemard, Bugis, Chinatown, Bukit Merah and Jurong East. It has an express sector along AYE.

==Service Information==
===Bus Duty & Fleet===
{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;width:100%'
|+Service 197
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet Size
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Ulu Pandan Depot (UPDEP)
|rowspan=2|13
!11 Single Deckers
!2 Double Deckers
|-
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS5017X}} {{Col|SBS5019R}} {{Col|SBS8327G}} {{Col|SBS8529R}} {{Col|SBS8568C}} {{Col|SBS8696R}}
|model=Scania K230UB
}}
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SG5880G}} {{Col|SG5881D}} {{Col|SG6294S}} {{Col|SG6328D}} {{Col|SG6329B}} {{Col|SG6330X}} {{Col|SG6331T}} {{Col|SG6332R}}
|model=MAN ND323F
}}
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS7568J}} {{Col|SBS7578E}} {{Col|SBS7598Y}} {{Col|SG5396M}}
|model=Volvo B9TL
}}
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Bedok North Depot (BNDEP)
|rowspan=2|14
!12 Single Deckers
!2 Double Deckers
|-
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS6685K}}
|model=Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
}}
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS8663K}} {{Col|SBS8670P}}
|model=Scania K230UB
}}
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS3026H}} {{Col|SBS3072Z}} {{Col|SBS3075R}} {{Col|SBS3101Z}} {{Col|SBS3188Z}} {{Col|SG5377T}}
|model=Volvo B9TL
}}
|}
{|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
!Notes
|-
|
* '''1 Service 197 bus''' will perform one (1) down-route trip as Service 197 from Neil Road (Bus Stop 05259 - Opp Maxwell Stn Exit 3) towards Jurong East Interchange before Daily AM Peak, departing at 0525 hours.
* '''2 Service 197 buses''' will perform one (1) down-route trip as Service 197 from Neil Road (Bus Stop 05259 - Opp Maxwell Stn Exit 3) towards Jurong East Interchange during Weekdays PM Peak, departing at 1748 hours & 1831 hours.
* '''3 Service 197 buses''' will perform one (1) down-route trip as Service 197 from Geylang Road (Bus Stop 80039 - Opp Lor 1 Geylang Ter) towards Jurong East Interchange before Weekends & Public Holidays AM Peak.
** Saturdays: Departing at 0525 hours, 0538 hours & 0551 hours.
** Sundays & Public Holidays: Departing at 0525 hours, 0538 hours & 0550 hours.
* '''7 Service 197 buses''' will perform one (1) down-route trip as Service 197 from Geylang Road (Bus Stop 80039 - Opp Lor 1 Geylang Ter) towards Jurong East Interchange before & during Weekdays AM Peak, departing between 0525 hours & 0718 hours.
* '''SBS7652Z (Service 45)''' will operate on Service 197 during Weekends & Public Holidays.
* '''Weekdays:''' Ulu Pandan 13A-14P / 3S / 1T; Bedok North 4A-4P / 1E / 4S (27 buses)
* '''Weekdays Sch Hols:''' Ulu Pandan 10A-12P / 4S / 1T; Bedok North 5A-5P / 4S (26 buses)
* '''Saturdays:''' Ulu Pandan 14A-15P; Bedok North 8A-7P / 1T (24 buses)
* '''Sundays & Public Holidays:''' Ulu Pandan 16A-14P / 1T; Bedok North 7A-5P / 1T (25 buses)
* '''Special Weekdays:''' Ulu Pandan 12A-12P / 4S; Bedok North 8A-7P / 1E (25 buses)
|}

==Historical Information==
{| class="toccolours bushist" border="1" cellpadding="3"
|-class="BUS"
!Operator
!Route
!Year
!Date
!Service changes
|-
!rowspan="11"|{{SBS}}
!rowspan="6"|Jurong ↔ Lor 1 Geylang (1978 - 1990)
|1978
|1 June
|Introduced between Jurong Int and Geylang Fringe Car Pk.
|-
|1986
|7 September
|Last bus from Jurong Int extended to 0025 hrs on Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays.
|-
|rowspan="2"|1987
|27 September
|Amended to ply the extended Eu Tong Sen St towards Lor 1 Geylang Ter to facilitate the first stage of road expansion along New Bridge Rd.
|-
|1 November
|Amended to ply Eu Tong Sen St towards Lor 1 Geylang Ter to facilitate the second stage of road expansion along New Bridge Rd.
|-
|1988
|11 January
|Serves merged bus stop along Ayer Rajah Rd.
|-
|1989
|29 January
|Serves relocated bus stop opposite Sri Mariamman Tp along Sth Bridge Rd, skipping a removed bus stop opposite Jamae Mque.
|-
!rowspan="2"|Boon Lay ↔ Lor 1 Geylang (1990 - 1991)
|rowspan="2"|1990
|1 July
|Amended to Boon Lay Int.
|-
|22 July
|Serves the bus stop outside Ellenborough Mkt along Eu Tong Sen St, skipping the bus stop outside Hill St Bldg along Hill St.
|-
!Boon Lay ↔ Bedok (1991 - 1992)
|1991
|7 April
|Integrated with Service 41 and extended to Bedok Int under TransitLink Network Integration Exercise Phase 3.
|-
!rowspan="17"|Jurong East ↔ Bedok (since 1992)
|1992
|28 June
|Shortened to Jurong East Int under TransitLink Network Integration Exercise Phase 8 with the route extension of Service 198 to Boon Lay Int.
|-
|2000
|{{TBC}}
|Serves additional bus stop after Jln Bt Merah along Kg Bahru Rd.
|-
!rowspan="15"|{{SBST}} (Current)
|rowspan="2"|2003
|{{TBC}}
|Serves new bus stop outside Shell Kiosk along Tg Katong Rd.
|-
|7 December
|Serves the bus stop outside Blk 3 along Neil Rd with the abolition of the bus stop outside Everton Pk.
|-
|rowspan="3"|2005
|5 June
|Amended to ply Sims Ave and Sims Way with the partial closure of southbound Mountbatten Rd.
|-
|12 June
|Serves new bus stop outside Science Pk along AYE.
|-
|26 June
|Amended to ply Sims Way and Geylang Rd with the partial closure of northbound Mountbatten Rd.
|-
|2006
|{{TBC}}
|Serves additional bus stop outside Victoria Sch along Marine Parade Rd.
|-
|2009
|5 July
|Amended to ply Boon Lay Way and Jurong East Ctrl with the closure of Jurong East St 12 to facilitate the Jurong East Modification Project (JEMP).
|-
|rowspan="3"|2011
|26 June
|Serves new bus stop outside The Pinnacle @ Duxton along Neil Rd.
|-
|19 November
|Amended to Bedok Temp Int.
|-
|17 December
|Amended to Jurong East Temp Int.
|-
|2012
|25 June
|{{DWAB}}
|-
|2014
|30 November
|Amended to Bedok Integrated Transport Hub.
|-
|2017
|26 November
|Serves bus stop after Hosp Dr along Eu Tong Sen St with the removal of the bus stop before Hosp Dr along Kg Bahru Rd.
|-
|2020
|6 December
|Amended to relocated Jurong East Temp Int and amended to ply Jurong East St 12, skipping Jurong Town Hall Rd, Jurong East Ctrl and Jurong Gateway Rd.
|-
|2024
|28 January
|Serves relocated bus stop after Clementi Swim Cplx along AYE.
|}

{{Clementi Bus Package}}</nowiki></code>

Or you can fully create with bus stops in range. Here is an example as this is from Bus Service 21 page:
<code><nowiki>{{Travel Advisory|S21=showonly|BishanToaPayohBCM=showonly}}
{{Infobox
|title=Service 21
|img=[[File:SG5023P 21.jpg|centre|300px]]
|info=
{{Infohead|Route Information}}
{{Infoline|Route|[[Pasir Ris Bus Interchange|Pasir Ris Interchange]] ↔ [[Saint Michael's Bus Terminal|Saint Michael’s Terminal]]}}
{{Infoline|Route Length|27.4 km (towards Saint Michael’s) 25.0 km (towards Pasir Ris)}}
{{Infoline|Travelling Time|130 mins (2 h 10 mins)}}
{{Infoline|Operator|{{SBST}} ([[Bishan – Toa Payoh Bus Package]])}}
}}

{{SBST/1| Bus Service 21}} is an inter-town service linking the residential estates of [[Pasir Ris]], [[Tampines]], [[Bedok]], [[Geylang]], [[Kallang]], and [[Novena|Balestier (Novena subzone)]].

On sundays and public holidays, Short-Trip 21A supplements the high demand from Geylang to Kitchener Road.

{{Desti/Service|21|Pasir Ris Interchange|Saint Michael’s Terminal}}

==Service Information==
===Bus Duty & Fleet===
{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;width:100%'
|+Service 21/21A
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet Size
!rowspan=2 colspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet
|-
!style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|21
!style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|21A
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
|rowspan=2|21
|rowspan=2|4
!10 Single Deckers
!11 Double Deckers
|-
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS6014Y}} {{Col|SBS6624L}}
|model=Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
}}
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS5023C}} {{Col|SBS5109P}} {{Col|SBS8280G}} {{Col|SBS8287M}} {{Col|SBS8289H}} {{Col|SBS8816L}} {{Col|SBS8823R}} {{Col|SBS8830U}}
|model=Scania K230UB
}}
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SG6042C}} {{Col|SG6222A}} {{Col|SG6223Y}} {{Col|SG6233T}} {{Col|SG6261L}}
|model=MAN ND323F
}}
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS3158K}} {{Col|SBS3186DA}} {{Col|SBS3726X}} {{Col|SBS3847E}} {{Col|SBS3904Z}} {{Col|SG5116E}} {{Col|SG5118A}}
|model=Volvo B9TL
}}
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/SBST|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Bedok North Depot (BNDEP)
|rowspan=2|8
|rowspan=2 {{N/A}}
!5 Single Deckers
!3 Double Deckers
|-
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS8179S}} {{Col|SBS8230B}} {{Col|SBS8532E}} {{Col|SBS8662M}} {{Col|SBS8667A}}
|model=Scania K230UB
}}
|
{{Fleet
|fleet={{Col|SBS3013U}} {{Col|SBS7668D}} {{Col|SG5023P}}
|model=Volvo B9TL
}}
|}

{|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
!Notes
|-
|
* 1 extra HGDEP DD.
* '''Several random BNDEP DDs''' will operate on Service 21 on Weekends & Public Holidays.
* '''Several random HGDEP DDs''' will operate on Service 21 on Sundays & Public Holidays.
* Full DD fleet for BNDEP on Weekends & Public Holidays.
* Majority DD fleet for HGDEP on Sundays & Public Holidays.
* '''Weekdays:''' Hougang 12A-12P / 7S / 2T; Bedok North 7A-6P / 1S (29 buses)
* '''Saturdays:''' Hougang 12A-15P / 1T; Bedok North 7A-7P (23 buses)
* '''Sundays & Public Holidays:''' Hougang 8A-10P / 2S / 6T; Bedok North 6A-7P (25 buses)
* '''Special Weekdays:''' Hougang 12A-12P / 3E / 4S; Bedok North 6A-6P / 1E / 1T (28 buses)
* '''Special Saturdays:''' Hougang 11A-13P / 2T; Bedok North 7A-8P (24 buses)
* '''Special Sundays:''' Hougang 9A-11P / 3S / 3T; Bedok North 6A-7P (25 buses)
|}

{|class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="text-align:center"
!colspan=3|Service 21 duty allocation
|-
!colspan=3|Hougang
|-
!rowspan=4|Weekdays (12A-12P / 7S / 2T)
|-
!A/P
|SBS3158K, SBS3186D, SBS3847E, SBS3904Z, SBS5023C, SBS6014Y, SBS6624L, SG5116E, SG6222A, SG6223Y, SG6233T & SG6261L
|-
!S
|SBS5109P, SBS8280G, SBS8287M, SBS8289H, SBS8816L & SG5118A
|-
!T
|SBS8823R & SBS8830U
|-
!rowspan=4|Saturdays (12A-15P / 1T)
|-
!A/P
|SBS5023C, SBS8287M, SBS3158K, SBS3186D, SBS3726X, SBS3847E, SG5116E, SG5118A, SG6222A, SG6223Y, SG6233T & SG6261L
|-
!P
|SBS8823R
|-
!T
|Random DD
|-
!rowspan=5|Sundays & Public Holidays (8A-10P / 2S / 6T)
|-
!A/P
|SBS3158K, SBS6014Y, SBS6624L, SG6222A, SG6223Y, SG6233T & SG6261L
|-
!P
|SBS3847E
|-
!S
|SG5116E
|-
!T
|SBS3186D
|-
!colspan=3|Bedok North
|-
!rowspan=4|Weekdays (7A-6P / 1S)
|-
!A/P
|SBS3013U, SBS7668D, SBS8179S, SBS8532E, SBS8662M & SG5023P
|-
!A
|SBS8230B
|-
!S
|SBS8667A
|-
!rowspan=2|Saturdays (7A-7P)
|-
!A/P
|SBS3013U, SBS7668D, SG5023P & 4 Random DDs
|-
!rowspan=3|Sundays & Public Holidays (6A-7P)
|-
!A/P
|SBS3013U, SBS7668D, SG5023P & 3 Random DDs
|-
!P
|Random DD
|-
|}

===Route Information===
====Frequency====
{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;'
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Period
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Peak (First Bus - 08:30)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Off Peak (08:31 - 16:59)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|PM Peak (17:00 - 19:00)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|PM Off Peak (19:01 - Last Bus)
|-
!towards Saint Michael’s
|07 - 15 minutes
|08 - 16 minutes
|11 - 16 minutes
|12 - 16 minutes
|-
!towards Pasir Ris
|10 - 15 minutes
|08 - 15 minutes
|08 - 17 minutes
|12 - 16 minutes
|}

====Special Departures====
{| class='wikitable mw-collapsible' style='text-align:center;line-height:1.3'
!colspan=6 style='text-align:initial;font-weight:initial'|{{BS82069|landmark=}} → {{BS52499|landmark=}}<hr>'''Departure Time'''
|-
!Weekdays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|05:55 (SG5116E)}} {{Col/1|06:12 (SBS8179S)}}</div>
|-
!Saturdays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|05:55 (SG6233T)}} {{Col/1|06:06 (SBS3013U)}}</div>
|-
!Sundays & Public Holidays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|05:55 (SBS3158K)}}</div>
|}

{| class='wikitable mw-collapsible' style='text-align:center;line-height:1.3'
!colspan=6 style='text-align:initial;font-weight:initial'|{{BS80089|landmark=}} → {{BS52499|landmark=}}<hr>'''Departure Time'''
|-
!Sundays & Public Holidays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|17:51 (SBS3186D)}} {{Col/1|18:15}} {{Col/1|18:31}}</div>
|}

{| class='wikitable mw-collapsible' style='text-align:center;line-height:1.3'
!colspan=6 style='text-align:initial;font-weight:initial'|{{BS82061|landmark=}} → {{BS77009|landmark=}}<hr>'''Departure Time'''
|-
!Weekdays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|05:50 (SG6233T)}} {{Col/1|06:00 (SG6261L)}} {{Col/1|06:18}} {{Col/1|06:31}}</div>
|}

====Short-Trip 21A====
<div style='background-color:#ff000011;padding:0.5em'>
{| class='wikitable mw-collapsible' style='text-align:center;line-height:1.3'
!colspan=6 style='text-align:initial;font-weight:initial'|{{BS80089|landmark=}} → {{BS07231|landmark=}}<hr>'''Departure Time'''
|-
!Sundays & Public Holidays
|<div style='display:grid;grid-auto-columns:max-content;grid-template-columns:auto auto auto auto auto;'>{{Col/1|16:52 (SBS3186D)}} {{Col/1|17:11 (DD)}} {{Col/1|17:22 (DD)}} {{Col/1|17:42 (DD)}} {{Col/1|17:56}}</div>
|}
</div>

====Direction 1 (Pasir Ris → Saint Michael’s)====
<div class="mw-collapsible">
[Show/Hide Full Route Details]
{| class="wikitable"
!rowspan=2 colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Bus Stops
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Point of Interest
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Weekdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Saturdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Suns / PHs
|-
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS77009|int=(Berth B1)}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:30|00:00|05:30|00:00|05:30|00:00|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78109}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:33|00:03|05:33|00:03|05:33|00:03|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78081}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:35|00:05|05:35|00:05|05:34|00:05|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78071}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:37|00:06|05:36|00:06|05:35|00:06|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:38|00:07|05:37|00:07|05:36|00:07|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78031}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:39|00:08|05:38|00:08|05:37|00:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78181}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:40|00:08|05:38|00:08|05:37|00:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS78191}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:43|00:11|05:41|00:11|05:40|00:11|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS98099}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:44|00:12|05:43|00:13|05:42|00:12|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS98019}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:47|00:15|05:45|00:15|05:44|00:15|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76249}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:52|00:19|05:50|00:20|05:49|00:19|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76239}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:53|00:20|05:51|00:21|05:50|00:20|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS76229}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:54|00:21|05:52|00:22|05:51|00:21|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76219}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:55|00:22|05:53|00:23|05:52|00:21|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76209}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:56|00:23|05:54|00:24|05:53|00:22|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS76149}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:58|00:24|05:56|00:25|05:54|00:23|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76139}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:59|00:25|05:57|00:26|05:55|00:24|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS76069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:01|00:27|05:59|00:27|05:57|00:26|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS75059}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:03|00:29|06:01|00:29|05:59|00:28|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS75069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:05|00:31|06:03|00:31|06:02|00:30|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS75349}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:06|00:32|06:04|00:32|06:03|00:31|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84609}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:07|00:33|06:05|00:33|06:04|00:32|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84639}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:08|00:33|06:06|00:33|06:04|00:32|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84619}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:09|00:34|06:06|00:34|06:05|00:33|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84629}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:10|00:34|06:07|00:34|06:05|00:33|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84479}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:11|00:35|06:08|00:35|06:06|00:34|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84469}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:12|00:36|06:09|00:36|06:07|00:35|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84481}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:15|00:38|06:12|00:38|06:09|00:36|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS84491}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:16|00:39|06:13|00:39|06:10|00:37|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS72079}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:18|00:40|06:15|00:40|06:11|00:38|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS72069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:19|00:41|06:16|00:41|06:12|00:39|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS72029}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:20|00:42|06:17|00:42|06:13|00:40|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS72019}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:22|00:43|06:19|00:43|06:14|00:41|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS83119}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:25|00:45|06:21|00:45|06:16|00:43|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS83109}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:25|00:46|06:22|00:46|06:17|00:43|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS82069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:55|00:48|05:55|00:48|05:55|00:45|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS82049}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:57|00:49|05:57|00:50|05:57|00:47|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS82029}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:58|00:51|05:58|00:51|05:58|00:48|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS82109}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:59|00:52|05:59|00:52|05:59|00:49|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS81069}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:01|00:52|06:00|00:53|06:01|00:50|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS81049}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:02|00:54|06:01|00:54|06:02|00:51|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS81029}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:03|00:54|06:02|00:55|06:03|00:52|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS80089|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:04|00:56|06:04|00:57|06:04|00:54|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS80069|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:06|00:57|06:05|00:58|06:06|00:55|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS80049|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:08|00:59|06:07|01:00|06:09|00:57|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS80101|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:08|01:00|06:08|01:01|06:08|00:58|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS60051|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:11|01:02|06:11|01:04|06:10|01:01|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS60099|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:13|01:04|06:13|01:06|06:12|01:03|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS07329|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:14|01:05|06:14|01:07|06:13|01:04|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS07231|swt={{BS/SWT|21A|#f00}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:16|01:07|06:16|01:09|06:16|01:06|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS07211}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:18|01:08|06:18|01:11|06:18|01:07|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS07221}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:19|01:09|06:19|01:12|06:19|01:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50249}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:21|01:11|06:21|01:13|06:21|01:09|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50239}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:22|01:11|06:22|01:14|06:22|01:10|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50129}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:24|01:13|06:25|01:16|06:25|01:11|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50119}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:26|01:14|06:27|01:17|06:27|01:13|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS50031}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:28|01:16|06:27|01:19|06:27|01:14|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50041}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:29|01:17|06:28|01:20|06:28|01:15|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50161}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:32|01:18|06:30|01:22|06:30|01:16|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50171}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:33|01:19|06:32|01:23|06:32|01:17|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50191}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:35|01:20|06:33|01:24|06:33|01:18|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50201}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:36|01:21|06:34|01:24|06:34|01:19|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50211}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:37|01:22|06:35|01:25|06:35|01:20|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|colspan=2|{{BS50991}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:38|01:23|06:38|01:27|06:36|01:21|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS52129|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#fff;color:#f00;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards St. Michael’s Ter)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:40|01:24|06:40|01:28|06:39|01:22|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS52049|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#fff;color:#f00;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards St. Michael’s Ter)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:41|01:25|06:41|01:29|06:40|01:23|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS52119|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#fff;color:#f00;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards St. Michael’s Ter)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:43|01:27|06:43|01:31|06:42|01:25|fr=}}
|-
|colspan=2|{{BS52499|int=(Berth B1)}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:45|01:28|06:46|01:32|06:42|01:26|fr=}}
|}
'''Notes:'''
* <div style='display:flex;align-items:start'>1: This service calls at this stop in both directions (towards Pasir Ris and towards Saint Michael’s). Commuters are to check the bus destination before boarding.</div>
* <div style='display:flex;align-items:start'>06:00: Underlined times indicate that the first bus is a downroute bus rather than one starting from the first stop.</div>
</div>

====Direction 2 (Saint Michael’s → Pasir Ris)====
<div class="mw-collapsible">
[Show/Hide Full Route Details]
{| class="wikitable"
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Bus Stops
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Point of Interest
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Weekdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Saturdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Suns / PHs
|-
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
|-
|{{BS52499|int=(Berth B1)}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:30|00:00|05:30|00:00|05:30|00:00|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS52451}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:31|00:01|05:31|00:01|05:31|00:01|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS52129|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#f00;color:#fff;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards Pasir Ris Int)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:32|00:02|05:32|00:02|05:32|00:02|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS52049|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#f00;color:#fff;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards Pasir Ris Int)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:33|00:03|05:33|00:03|05:33|00:03|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS52119|swt=1{{Bus/D|21|style=background-color:#f00;color:#fff;border:1px solid #000|note=''(towards Pasir Ris Int)''}}}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:35|00:04|05:35|00:05|05:35|00:05|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS52099}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:36|00:05|05:36|00:06|05:36|00:06|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50159}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:37|00:06|05:37|00:07|05:37|00:07|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50209}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:38|00:07|05:38|00:08|05:38|00:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50199}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:38|00:07|05:39|00:08|05:39|00:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50189}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:39|00:08|05:40|00:09|05:40|00:09|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50179}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:40|00:09|05:41|00:10|05:41|00:10|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50169}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:41|00:10|05:42|00:11|05:42|00:11|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50059}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:43|00:12|05:43|00:13|05:43|00:13|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50049}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:43|00:12|05:44|00:13|05:44|00:13|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS50038}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:45|00:14|05:46|00:15|05:46|00:15|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50111}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:47|00:15|05:47|00:16|05:47|00:16|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50121}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:48|00:16|05:49|00:17|05:49|00:17|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50231}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:50|00:18|05:51|00:19|05:51|00:19|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50331}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:52|00:19|05:52|00:20|05:52|00:20|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS50349}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:53|00:19|05:53|00:21|05:53|00:21|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS60199}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:54|00:20|05:54|00:22|05:54|00:22|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS60059}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:56|00:22|05:56|00:24|05:56|00:24|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS80109}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:59|00:24|05:59|00:26|05:59|00:26|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS80051}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:00|00:25|06:00|00:27|06:00|00:27|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS80071}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:02|00:27|06:01|00:29|06:01|00:29|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS80091}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:07|00:30|06:05|00:32|06:06|00:32|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS81011}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:05|00:29|06:04|00:31|06:04|00:31|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS81031}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:06|00:30|06:05|00:32|06:05|00:32|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS81051}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:08|00:32|06:06|00:34|06:07|00:34|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS82011}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:10|00:33|06:08|00:35|06:09|00:35|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS82032}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:11|00:34|06:09|00:36|06:10|00:36|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS82061}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:50|00:36|06:11|00:38|06:12|00:38|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS83101}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:52|00:38|06:13|00:39|06:14|00:39|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS83111}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:53|00:39|06:14|00:40|06:15|00:40|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS72011}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:55|00:41|06:16|00:42|06:17|00:42|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS72021}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:57|00:42|06:17|00:43|06:19|00:43|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS72061}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:58|00:44|06:19|00:45|06:21|00:45|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS72071}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:59|00:45|06:20|00:46|06:22|00:46|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84499}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:01|00:46|06:21|00:47|06:23|00:47|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84489}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:03|00:48|06:23|00:49|06:25|00:49|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84461}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:05|00:50|06:24|00:50|06:27|00:50|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84471}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:06|00:51|06:25|00:51|06:28|00:51|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84621}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:07|00:52|06:26|00:52|06:29|00:52|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84611}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:09|00:53|06:27|00:53|06:30|00:53|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84631}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:09|00:54|06:28|00:54|06:31|00:54|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS84601}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:10|00:54|06:28|00:54|06:31|00:54|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS75341}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:11|00:55|06:30|00:55|06:33|00:56|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS75061}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:13|00:56|06:31|00:56|06:34|00:57|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS75051}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:14|00:58|06:33|00:58|06:36|00:59|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76061}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:16|01:00|06:35|01:00|06:38|01:01|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76131}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:18|01:01|06:37|01:01|06:40|01:03|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS76141}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:20|01:02|06:38|01:02|06:41|01:04|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76201}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:23|01:04|06:40|01:04|06:43|01:06|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76211}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:25|01:05|06:41|01:05|06:44|01:07|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS76221}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:26|01:06|06:42|01:06|06:45|01:08|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76231}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:29|01:08|06:44|01:08|06:46|01:09|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS76241}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:29|01:09|06:45|01:09|06:47|01:10|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS98011}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:32|01:12|06:48|01:12|06:50|01:13|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS98091}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:34|01:14|06:50|01:13|06:51|01:14|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78199}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:36|01:15|06:51|01:15|06:53|01:16|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78189}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:38|01:17|06:53|01:16|06:54|01:17|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78039}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:39|01:17|06:53|01:17|06:55|01:18|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78061}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:39|01:18|06:54|01:17|06:55|01:18|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78079}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:41|01:20|06:56|01:18|06:56|01:19|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78089}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:44|01:22|06:58|01:20|06:58|01:21|fr=}}
|- class='ex'
|{{BS78101}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:46|01:24|07:00|01:22|07:00|01:23|fr=}}
|-
|{{BS77009|int=(Alighting)}}
{{Bus/FBLB|06:50|01:27|07:03|01:25|07:03|01:26|fr=}}
|}
'''Notes:'''
* <div style='display:flex;align-items:start'>1: This service calls at this stop in both directions (towards Pasir Ris and towards Saint Michael’s). Commuters are to check the bus destination before boarding.</div>
* <div style='display:flex;align-items:start'>06:00: Underlined times indicate that the first bus is a downroute bus rather than one starting from the first stop.</div>
</div>

==Historical Information==
<onlyinclude>{| class="wikitable" style='text-align:center'
!style={{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}|Operator
!style={{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}|Route
!style={{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}|Year
!style={{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}|Date
!style={{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}|Service changes
|-
|rowspan=13|{{SBST}} '''(Current)''' ''Known as {{SBS}} prior to 1 November 2001''
|Pasir Ris ↔ Lor 1 Geylang
|'''1992'''
|'''29 November'''
|style='text-align:left'|Introduced between Pasir Ris Int and Lor 1 Geylang Ter under TransitLink Network Integration Exercise Phase 10.
|-
|rowspan=9|Pasir Ris ↔ Saint Michael’s
|'''1993'''
|'''23 May'''
|style='text-align:left'|Integrated with Service 4 and extended to St. Michael’s Ter under TransitLink Network Integration Exercise Phase 13.
|-
|'''1994'''
|{{TBC}}
|style='text-align:left'|Skips the bus stop outside Kallang Stn along Sims Ave.
|-
|'''1999'''
|{{TBC}}
|style='text-align:left'|Serves new pair of bus stops outside and opposite The Clearwater Condo along Bedok Reservoir Rd.
|-
|'''2001'''
|'''18 February'''
|style='text-align:left'|Serves new staggered bus stop outside Novena Stn along Thomson Rd, skipping the bus stop outside Novena Ch.
|-
|'''2002'''
|{{TBC}}
|style='text-align:left'|Serves new pair of bus stops opposite and between Blks 731 and 734 along Bedok Reservoir Rd.
|-
|'''2003'''
|'''21 June'''
|style='text-align:left'|Amended to ply Bendemeer Rd, Jln Besar, Kitchener Rd and Serangoon Rd under {{NEL}} Rationalisation Phase 1.
|-
|rowspan=2|'''2004'''
|'''27 April'''
|style='text-align:left'|Amended to ply Geylang Rd, Kallang Rd and Sims Ave towards St. Michael’s Ter with the temporary conversion of Lor 1 Geylang to one-way traffic.
|-
|'''6 December'''
|style='text-align:left'|Amended to ply the reinstated Lor 1 Geylang towards St. Michael’s Ter, skipping Geylang Rd, Kallang Rd and Sims Ave.
|-
|'''2006'''
|'''26 June'''
|style='text-align:left'|{{DWAB}}
|-
|rowspan=3|{{Bus/D|21|note=Pasir Ris ↔ St. Michael’s}}{{Bus/D|21A|note=Geylang Rd → Kitchener Rd}}
|'''2014'''
|'''25 May'''
|style='text-align:left'|{{Bus/D|21A|note=Introduced from Geylang Rd (Bef Lor 18 Geylang) to Kitchener Rd (Bef Tai Hoe Hotel) on Sundays and Public Holidays. {{LWAB}}}}
|-
|'''2016'''
|'''24 April'''
|style='text-align:left'|Amended to ply Jln Tenteram in both directions.
|-
|'''2022'''
|'''30 October'''
|style='text-align:left'|Temporarily amended to ply Pasir Ris St 11 and Pasir Ris St 12 with the partial closure of Pasir Ris Dr 1 to facilitate the construction of {{CR4| }} station on the {{CRL}}.
|}</onlyinclude>

==External Links==
* [https://svc.simplygo.com.sg/eservice/eguide/service_route.php?service=21 SimplyGo eGuide]
* [https://busrouter.sg/#/services/21 Bus Service Route Map]

{{Bishan – Toa Payoh Bus Package}}</nowiki></code>

I hope the legend understands why I blanked 251 page for a reason

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-31T05:57:04Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Bus Service 137 */ new section

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

===Second reply===
Alright Wekelwrady, here are the list of services that use LTG watermarked images which I hide it for request:

*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 33]]
*[[Bus Service 39]]
*[[Bus Service 54]]
*[[Bus Service 73]]
*[[Bus Service 84W]]
*[[Bus Service 141]]
*[[Bus Service 142]]
*[[Bus Service 191]]
*[[Bus Service 193]]
*[[Bus Service 247]]
*[[Bus Service 225G]]
*[[Bus Service 229]]
*[[Bus Service 410G]]
*[[Bus Service 241]]
*[[Bus Service 242]]
*[[Bus Service 243G]]
*[[Bus Service 282]]
*[[Bus Service 284]]
*[[Bus Service 285]]
*[[Bus Service 381]]
*[[Bus Service 382G]]
*[[Bus Service 382W]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
*[[Bus Service 386]]
*[[Bus Service 374]]
*[[Bus Service 315]]
*[[Bus Service 292]]
*[[Bus Service 293]]
*[[Bus Service 296]]
*[[Bus Service 298]]
*[[Bus Service 298X]]
*[[Bus Service 231]]
*[[Bus Service 235]]
*[[Bus Service 12e]]
*[[Bus Service 43e]]

If you have time to replace it, feel free to do so. And apologies if I miss out any bus service page which has an image involved as well

===On the other hand===
I will try my best to ask for the authors permission to use images for SgWiki, and if the author approved permission, then maybe what we will do with it actually :/

====Response====
Right now just let me sort the images, you do not have to. As for you, put your 100% focus on reducing plagarism in the content for several bus service pages. It would also be appreciated if you can help complete the route information for 197 as I have no longer any time to complete it. You can refer to https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltagov/en/map/bus.html# to help you in the process. I am already planning to help in other areas of the wiki as I speak.

I was very concerned that my stance has been repeatedly misrepresented many times, thus I had no choice but to be upfront with you. I hope you understand that I have a job to do and I do not always have the time to dedicate work into the wiki. I am not always in this wiki forever and I am just here to make things right before real life work catches up with me again.

==Re: 117/M, 182/M, 248/M==
Noted on your suggestion for these services, I would say, it was ok to combined both into a single page, provided a clear guidance on the route information and timing (if applicable) should differentiate between the variant and parent, with a redirect page created at the variant page for redundancy, if it happens a withdrawal of variant (i.e. 900/900A). A clear information or way should be handled to allow easier copy/pasting to redirection page if it happens.

===Reply===
Noted admin's opinion, thank you.

== Service 179/179A ==

Hi Wekelwrady, since this was mentioned before that I will be focusing on services in ascending order rather than random, so if you want me to create 179, might take too long.

But if you are planning to work on it just do so

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 30 March 2025, 05:41

== Bus Service 137 ==

Hi, you may wish to finish up [[Bus Service 137]] by adding bus stops

User talk:Kay

2025-03-27T07:33:32Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images */

{{Warning Point|6 December 2024|'''Excessive Editing''' 28+ Edits on a single page within 2 hours}}
{{Warning Point|7 December 2024|'''Removal of Warning Point'''}}

Are you the one upgrading the pages? If so, can i request that you put the service in front of livery and operator as some editors may want to remove fake information but the rego is blocked in their watchlist only lines which no editor wants to count over 100+ lines

==Re:==
What the point of putting UPD Blue or White? Are there meaning behind it? What is it? It wasn't clear or necessary other than where do they park. What the point, is still UPDEP.

==Ad page==
Get yourself a better device if the ad page is cluttered and laggy for you. Your idea defeats the whole purpose of separating them out of the deployment page.

== UPD sticker table: My reply ==

Hi Kay,

23ispolo here. Thank you for your message on my talk page.

To be honest, I am okay either way on whether to have the UPD sticker table on my user page, but do not intend to compile such a table for the time being.

While I always keep an eye out for buses with UPD white or blue stickers, other users may find it a hassle to constantly edit such a table after spotting such stickers, which I suspect is a reason why tables for UPD stickers have been removed from bus model deployment pages altogether. Due to this and other reasons, I will focus more on other things (i.e. deployments and others' talk pages) for the time being, and only compile a table if there is reasonable interest in maintaining one.

That said, I am currently unable to confirm whether '''SBS3658J''' still has a white UPD sticker. I have not observed 145 as much in the past few weeks, and my edits on 145's DD deployments have been based on my (limited) observations and information elsewhere. I do think the bus does not have the sticker currently, but it may come back to 145 in future as '''SBS3238M''' will be redeployed from 145 to another service in future.

Thank you for your reading and understanding, and I wish you a happy new year in advance!

Regards, 
23ispolo

== New Deployment Format ==
Hi,

I would appreciate it if you could take some time to review the proposed table format for [[Bus Service 168]]'s fleet.

Your genuine feedback is highly valued, particularly regarding whether this new format effectively addresses concerns related to the "counting" of buses for users with dyslexia, compared to the existing table structure. Your input will help ensure accessibility and clarity for all users.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

- Supernutorcrazy

== HGDEP 88==

Hi Kay,

Could you tell me where you checked that 88 is under HGDEP?

Regards, BOG

== Advertisement Page ==
Hi Kay,

Thank you for your suggestion regarding the use of “N/A” on the advertisement page. Initially, I did not include “N/A” as you suggested. However, over time, the format evolved into its current state. I have chosen not to interfere, as it appears to align with the preferences of most editors. You may wish to raise this matter with the broader editors’ community for further discussion.

I would like to avoid causing any unnecessary conflict within the community regarding the potential removal of the “N/A” columns.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy

== New format for Bus Service by Service==
I understand your point, but have you tested out the scrolling issue? I believe you did it on computer which is ok, but the new rows and columns actually make the page look longer where user had to scroll to reach Feeders and Trunks for 800/900 series. I prefer your format, but please revised the scrolling issue.

And add in the operating details like calling bus stop, nearby amenities and don't move page (it make me harder to tracked the pages/redirect link to delete even if the page is only left with one service not yet converted.)

== New format in Bus Deployments by Service ==

That format can sometimes have scrolling issues like what Supernutorcrazy said. Try to reduce some bytes and test if it works.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 3 February 2025, 20:14

==Separating HGDEP and BRBP==

Hi Kay,

Currently all BRBP services have brbp stated on their depots. The BCs collect the buses from Braddell. If I'm not wrong, the top column depot indicates HGDEP, which is the same arrangement as the previous where the BRBP buses have AMDEP on their sheets. Even if the depot allocated at the top is HGDEP, Braddell still controls BRBP buses, while HGDEP controls the previous AMK side, which is the same arrangement back then.

Regards, BOG

== Images ==

Kay good to see that you have a ton of photos uploaded, but however I think there are some things you can be aware of when uploading photos. My brain cant control 100% of it after I found out this thing: https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3463239?hl=en

And I can see some LTG watermark images you uploaded, sorry but this can affect the infobox without due notice. You think it this can cause it to involved in Google search images? I hope this legend knows who am I talking to and understand it by replying on my talk page

===Reply===
Thanks for taking time to reply, however I can see your images coming from Flickr. Someone had said everything and told me about using images from Flickr.

Maybe if you can read this as well https://www.flickrhelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/10710266545556-Using-Flickr-images-shared-by-other-members I hope this helps you with Flickr images. Also did you read the link above I sent you? I seek your understanding with this

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-26T13:45:54Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Second reply */ 54 also have LTG watermarked image

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

===Second reply===
Alright Wekelwrady, here are the list of services that use LTG watermarked images which I hide it for request:

*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 33]]
*[[Bus Service 39]]
*[[Bus Service 54]]
*[[Bus Service 73]]
*[[Bus Service 84W]]
*[[Bus Service 141]]
*[[Bus Service 142]]
*[[Bus Service 191]]
*[[Bus Service 193]]
*[[Bus Service 247]]
*[[Bus Service 225G]]
*[[Bus Service 229]]
*[[Bus Service 410G]]
*[[Bus Service 241]]
*[[Bus Service 242]]
*[[Bus Service 243G]]
*[[Bus Service 282]]
*[[Bus Service 284]]
*[[Bus Service 285]]
*[[Bus Service 381]]
*[[Bus Service 382G]]
*[[Bus Service 382W]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
*[[Bus Service 386]]
*[[Bus Service 374]]
*[[Bus Service 315]]
*[[Bus Service 292]]
*[[Bus Service 293]]
*[[Bus Service 296]]
*[[Bus Service 298]]
*[[Bus Service 298X]]
*[[Bus Service 231]]
*[[Bus Service 235]]
*[[Bus Service 12e]]
*[[Bus Service 43e]]

If you have time to replace it, feel free to do so. And apologies if I miss out any bus service page which has an image involved as well

===On the other hand===
I will try my best to ask for the authors permission to use images for SgWiki, and if the author approved permission, then maybe what we will do with it actually :/

====Response====
Right now just let me sort the images, you do not have to. As for you, put your 100% focus on reducing plagarism in the content for several bus service pages. It would also be appreciated if you can help complete the route information for 197 as I have no longer any time to complete it. You can refer to https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltagov/en/map/bus.html# to help you in the process. I am already planning to help in other areas of the wiki as I speak.

I was very concerned that my stance has been repeatedly misrepresented many times, thus I had no choice but to be upfront with you. I hope you understand that I have a job to do and I do not always have the time to dedicate work into the wiki. I am not always in this wiki forever and I am just here to make things right before real life work catches up with me again.

==Re: 117/M, 182/M, 248/M==
Noted on your suggestion for these services, I would say, it was ok to combined both into a single page, provided a clear guidance on the route information and timing (if applicable) should differentiate between the variant and parent, with a redirect page created at the variant page for redundancy, if it happens a withdrawal of variant (i.e. 900/900A). A clear information or way should be handled to allow easier copy/pasting to redirection page if it happens.

===Reply===
Noted admin's opinion, thank you.

User talk:Alphabetlorefan1

2025-03-21T16:38:23Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Lets sum this up */ new section

==About Me==
Hey, its Alphabetlorefan1. If you have any questions or any necessary stuff, you can leave it here until I respond. But wait, before you leave a message here, read this first:

#No spamming
#Be respectful to me
#Do not type any nonsense messages
#If I did not reply to your message, that means I am busy
#Don't troll me

Thanks

== Re: Evaluation on 117/M ==

Hi Alphabetlorefan1,

Would like to approach you for an evaluation on the possibility of creating 117/M under one single page, as you have expressed interest in completing 117/M.

As 117A is running during 117M operating hours but counted as a short-trip service under 117, there may be an instance of confusion, given that 117 starts later on paper. Furthermore, 117 and 117M's only difference is in Seletar, in which both routes may not see any long-term amendments other than Seletar. Hence, the table below attempts to address the difference with alternate operating hours by the parent route and route variant under one combined page.

I am currently also waiting for admin's response before I proceed to create other services that fall under the same example with 117/M. Do share your opinions and thoughts on the idea. Thanks.

{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;'
!Departure Period (Weekdays)
!Service Available
!Passing through
|-
|05:30 – 08:00
|'''117M'''
|style='text-align:left;'|
* West Camp Road
* '''Seletar Aerospace Crescent'''
* '''Seletar Aerospace Link'''
* Seletar Aerospace Drive
|-
|08:15 – 16:50
|'''117'''
|style='text-align:left;'|
* West Camp Road
* Seletar Aerospace Drive
|-
|17:00 – 19:00
|'''117M'''
|style='text-align:left;'|
* West Camp Road
* '''Seletar Aerospace Crescent '''
* '''Seletar Aerospace Link'''
* Seletar Aerospace Drive
|-
|19:15 – 23:30
|'''117'''
|style='text-align:left;'|
* West Camp Road
* Seletar Aerospace Drive
|}

<div class="mw-collapsible">
[Show/Hide Full Route Details]
{| class="wikitable"
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Bus Stops
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Point of Interest
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Weekdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Saturdays
!colspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Suns / PHs
|-
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|First bus!!style='{{CSS/LTA|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Last bus
|-
|{{BS68181|swt= '''<center>({{Bus/117|a=M}} only)</center>'''}}
{{Bus/FBLB|05:50/08:23 (117M)|17:24/19:23 (117M)|sa=|su=|fr=}}
|colspan=4 {{N/A}}
|}

== Lets sum this up ==

Good to see you having a batch of images you uploaded. But due to some reasons, you have to be aware of something because one of them told me everything in my talk page.

With this, we recommend you to read this: https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/CA2021 and https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3463239?hl=en

Before you can proceed off, ah my brain feels relaxed

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-21T16:26:36Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Second reply */

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

===Second reply===
Alright Wekelwrady, here are the list of services that use LTG watermarked images which I hide it for request:

*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 33]]
*[[Bus Service 39]]
*[[Bus Service 73]]
*[[Bus Service 84W]]
*[[Bus Service 141]]
*[[Bus Service 142]]
*[[Bus Service 191]]
*[[Bus Service 193]]
*[[Bus Service 247]]
*[[Bus Service 225G]]
*[[Bus Service 229]]
*[[Bus Service 410G]]
*[[Bus Service 241]]
*[[Bus Service 242]]
*[[Bus Service 243G]]
*[[Bus Service 282]]
*[[Bus Service 284]]
*[[Bus Service 285]]
*[[Bus Service 381]]
*[[Bus Service 382G]]
*[[Bus Service 382W]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
*[[Bus Service 386]]
*[[Bus Service 374]]
*[[Bus Service 315]]
*[[Bus Service 292]]
*[[Bus Service 293]]
*[[Bus Service 296]]
*[[Bus Service 298]]
*[[Bus Service 298X]]
*[[Bus Service 231]]
*[[Bus Service 235]]
*[[Bus Service 12e]]
*[[Bus Service 43e]]

If you have time to replace it, feel free to do so. And apologies if I miss out any bus service page which has an image involved as well

===On the other hand===
I will try my best to ask for the authors permission to use images for SgWiki, and if the author approved permission, then maybe what we will do with it actually :/

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-21T16:25:28Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Second reply */

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

===Second reply===
Alright Wekelwrady, here are the list of services that use LTG watermarked images which I hide it for request:

*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 33]]
*[[Bus Service 39]]
*[[Bus Service 73]]
*[[Bus Service 84W]]
*[[Bus Service 141]]
*[[Bus Service 142]]
*[[Bus Service 191]]
*[[Bus Service 193]]
*[[Bus Service 247]]
*[[Bus Service 225G]]
*[[Bus Service 229]]
*[[Bus Service 410G]]
*[[Bus Service 241]]
*[[Bus Service 242]]
*[[Bus Service 243G]]
*[[Bus Service 282]]
*[[Bus Service 284]]
*[[Bus Service 285]]
*[[Bus Service 381]]
*[[Bus Service 382G]]
*[[Bus Service 382W]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
*[[Bus Service 386]]
*[[Bus Service 374]]
*[[Bus Service 315]]
*[[Bus Service 292]]
*[[Bus Service 293]]
*[[Bus Service 296]]
*[[Bus Service 298]]
*[[Bus Service 298X]]
*[[Bus Service 231]]
*[[Bus Service 235]]
*[[Bus Service 12e]]
*[[Bus Service 43e]]

If you have time to replace it, feel free to do so. And apologies if I miss out any bus service page which has an image involved as well

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-21T16:25:13Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

===Second reply===
Alright Wekelwrady, here are the list of services that use LTG watermarked images which I hide it for request:

*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 33]]
*[[Bus Service 39]]
*[[Bus Service 16M]]
*[[Bus Service 73]]
*[[Bus Service 84W]]
*[[Bus Service 141]]
*[[Bus Service 142]]
*[[Bus Service 191]]
*[[Bus Service 193]]
*[[Bus Service 247]]
*[[Bus Service 225G]]
*[[Bus Service 229]]
*[[Bus Service 410G]]
*[[Bus Service 241]]
*[[Bus Service 242]]
*[[Bus Service 243G]]
*[[Bus Service 282]]
*[[Bus Service 284]]
*[[Bus Service 285]]
*[[Bus Service 381]]
*[[Bus Service 382G]]
*[[Bus Service 382W]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
*[[Bus Service 386]]
*[[Bus Service 374]]
*[[Bus Service 315]]
*[[Bus Service 292]]
*[[Bus Service 293]]
*[[Bus Service 296]]
*[[Bus Service 298]]
*[[Bus Service 298X]]
*[[Bus Service 231]]
*[[Bus Service 235]]
*[[Bus Service 12e]]
*[[Bus Service 43e]]

If you have time to replace it, feel free to do so. And apologies if I miss out any bus service page which has an image involved as well

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-21T15:51:48Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Hiatus */

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

====What about Facebook====
Because I see images uploaded from Singapore Buses account on Facebook, we still dont know about the copyright either.

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-21T15:50:47Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

User talk:Wekelwrady

2025-03-21T15:44:32Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */ new section

Just discuss below.

===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==

42119 - 23:39 
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37 
42149 - 23:41 
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34 
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34 
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32 
17229 - 23:45 

== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,

I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]

For the effect.

Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16

== Reply ==

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54

== File dispute ==

There is one user who uploaded 18+ file. If you try to go there, you may be shocked. You must do something with the user.

Just to note, I reported an ongoing edit war.

Wekelwrady do something, not enough group of users trying to stop Elkie Tee

== Upload images thats not LTG ==

Hi, good to see a lot of images you uploaded are not LTG. However, I removed the images on Services 16M, 26 & 33 due to copyright. If you can find one image which is not LTG, feel free to do so

===Reply===
Hi, I was the one who first raised the issue and initiated it. Let me just make this clear on the record.

While we did alot to reduce plagarism and copyright, uploading huge batches of flickr photos implies unknown dangers and isn't any better. I spent alot of time on my talk page explaining my stance with only a minority that still do not understand. I am still glad the majority understand where I am coming from.

If you snap buses from your camera or from your phone and put onto sgwiki, that is fine. I encourage own images to be shared to sgwiki for use.

Give me some time while I sort out more images for sgwiki use because we still have mountains of work to go.

Thanks and Regards

====Reply back====
Hi thanks for replying. You will be sure to understand why am I saying that, thanks

== Reply ==

Wekelwrady, you are right in some cases. However, I need to clear out for keeping SgWiki safe. First, when it comes to Flickr images, it has no use at all when uploading and give credit. This just, blows out the cases of whatever it is to keep it safe with.

===Hiatus===
Since you wrote this on my talk page "are you sure that nothing will go wrong in Google Search while uploading a huge bunch of Flickr images?". Wekelwrady, I can also see you uploaded several Flickr images. Does this get into some point? And I mean by what I wrote in the buses talk page is actually like this to be mistaken with "If a link is added for crediting, we dont know either".

However I read the link you sent me, which gives me good, intended brain at all. I am starting to think that we should keep SgWiki safe? Idk. Just reply if you see this

User talk:Kay

2025-03-21T15:34:30Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images */ new section

User talk:CastJared

2025-03-21T15:02:00Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Talking to me? */ new section

==Re:Elkie Tee==
I had permenant ban the user for his inappropriate rage, and directed anger. Regarding his recent edit on ADL 3 Doors and SG6361G, please verify if what he claimed is true. The earlier undos that I made is fully because of failure to update former deployment. However in this case, the user did fully update on all part, which you had reverted with deny and an edit warring warning. I had no idea on the spotting, so I can't gave comment if that edit is consider vandalism/false information, hence no warning point is made.

== Replace an image thats not watermark on bus model pages ==

Hi, good to see your edit replacing one of the image without LTG watermark on a bus model page, if you see more, replace ASAP, and also in the Bus Deployments page thanks.

=== Another message ===

Hi, do you mind to find an image of 16M, 33 and 84G without watermark? Feel free to reply

Not sure how to get that image.

I will tell you how you can get it: I suggest you go outside, look out for the service that I mentioned and to take picture, but has to be at a perfect angle. Flickr images, I think crediting might be impossible idk

== Talking to me? ==

I am confused as what you wrote [https://sgwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Sgbusntrain&diff=673954&oldid=673953 here] because of the image uploaded in the talk page. You are talking to me, or Sgbusntrain that one guy who uploaded files without due notice. Just reply if I get into any mistaken notice

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T14:48:38Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */

==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF

All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

== Re: Bus Service Pages ==

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully, 
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]

==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards, 
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]

===Merging of pages===
Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

== Non-revenue buses ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J

== SBS6623P damage ==

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

==Non-revenue buses==

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

==Bus Service Page==
Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

==Travel Advisory==
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards, 
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]

== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards, 
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

== Bus Deployments by Package ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • [//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E] ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Re: Jumping straight to the point, I really dislike the new format which you have put in as it makes the page very very long. Why I do not like this new format is because:
1. Most of the information found in the template can be found in each specific bus package. This includes bus models and type of service for each bus number.

2. The only information that can really be considered extra would be which neighbourhood each feeder serves, such as bishan feeders being 410, toa payoh feeders being 230, 231, etc. This information can already be derived from [[Bus Deployments by Service]], or even derived from each bus package page, as all feeders start/loop at a place with the neighbourhood name (i.e. amk feeder 265 starting at amk depot looping at amk ave 10). Hence, this is just uneccessary information for [[Bus Deployments by Package]] page which is meant to give an overview of the bus packages and not delve into the specifics.

3. People may not realise that the title is clickable, leading to specific information about each bus package being so called “inaccessible”. (yes I know I may be contradicting my earlier message but I didnt forsee this unintended consequence) Some people like me sometimes do not use laptops so there isn't a mouse to hover over the title to realise its clickable, compared with the previous format where the blue font makes it obvious that it is clickable.

I am not saying that this your ideas are worthless as there are still certain ideas which can be used to improve each individual bus package page. This include the sorting of services, where a class="wikitable sortable" can be added to the table of services to be able to sort them based on service (colour coding works too if need be). Links to each bus model in each bus package can also be placed to make it easier to go between the pages. In conclusion, I will change back the format and edit each bus package page accordingly with the edits I have suggested here unless you are able to show me what this new format does better than the old format.

Thanks for reading this and apologies for being so critical here, and I hope that you wont take offence because of this message.

== Bus History Page ==

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

==Non-Wheelchair Accessible Bus Stop==
I had verify some bus stop via the LTA Datamall, there are only 76 bus stop that are non-wheelchair accessible as followed:

{| class='wikitable'
|{{BS07231|landmark=}}||{{BS07249|landmark=}}||{{BS13101|landmark=}}||{{BS13169|landmark=}}||{{BS21099|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS21499|landmark=}}||{{BS22091|landmark=}}||{{BS23389|landmark=}}||{{BS23419|landmark=}}||{{BS24331|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS24339|landmark=}}||{{BS24681|landmark=}}||{{BS24689|landmark=}}||{{BS25269|landmark=}}||{{BS25379|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS25389|landmark=}}||{{BS25469|landmark=}}||{{BS26241|landmark=}}||{{BS26251|landmark=}}||{{BS31071|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS31081|landmark=}}||{{BS31089|landmark=}}||{{BS31201|landmark=}}||{{BS31211|landmark=}}||{{BS32041|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32049|landmark=}}||{{BS32051|landmark=}}||{{BS32059|landmark=}}||{{BS32061|landmark=}}||{{BS32069|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32071|landmark=}}||{{BS32079|landmark=}}||{{BS32101|landmark=}}||{{BS32109|landmark=}}||{{BS32111|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32119|landmark=}}||{{BS33011|landmark=}}||{{BS33019|landmark=}}||{{BS33031|landmark=}}||{{BS33051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS33059|landmark=}}||{{BS34009|landmark=}}||{{BS34011|landmark=}}||{{BS34021|landmark=}}||{{BS34029|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34031|landmark=}}||{{BS34039|landmark=}}||{{BS34041|landmark=}}||{{BS34049|landmark=}}||{{BS34051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34059|landmark=}}||{{BS43721|landmark=}}||{{BS44669|landmark=}}||{{BS46101|landmark=}}||{{BS46109|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS46211|landmark=}}||{{BS46219|landmark=}}||{{BS46239|landmark=}}||{{BS46301|landmark=}}||{{BS47711|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS48101|landmark=}}||{{BS48109|landmark=}}||{{BS49021|landmark=}}||{{BS49029|landmark=}}||{{BS49199|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS49209|landmark=}}||{{BS50169|landmark=}}||{{BS51091|landmark=}}||{{BS56061|landmark=}}||{{BS56081|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS58019|landmark=}}||{{BS66391|landmark=}}||{{BS66409|landmark=}}||{{BS80069|landmark=}}||{{BS82141|landmark=}}
|-
|style='text-align:center' colspan=5|{{BS97149|landmark=}}
|}

== Service 170X ==
For the past few months, I noticed 170X starts from Kranji station (Berth 2) instead of Opp Kranji station. Not too sure of the routing 170X took cause I didn't take 170X from Kranji. SBS Transit staff is present there to manage and guide commuters, so suspected already route amendment without announcement. Didn't really spotted any 170X anymore at Opp Kranji Station (45131).

== Re: Nearby Attractions ==
As far as I had done, I will try my best to add in big shopping mall when creating the pages, especially those near interchanges, and tourist attractions like 858 (Jewel) and 138 (Mandai Zoo etc). But of course there may be some part where I can missed out. I don't think school should be included, nor those neighbourhood malls, nor some temple/mosque (unless prominent ones where tourist/local would visited). Maybe there should be a better heading?

==Opinion==
Hi,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the proposed changes earlier. I am pleased to inform you that the bus spotting page has been launched, which I believe will assist editors in verifying deployment accuracy and enhancing the reliability of current deployment information.

To address concerns regarding potential false entries on the spotting page, I trust in the integrity of our editors to avoid posting hypothetical or inaccurate information. Additionally, I have implemented features such as Date/Time stamps and Editor attribution to reinforce accountability.

Regarding the subpages, I have launched the following: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)]]. Deployment details have been transferred to the respective subpages.

As a trial, I finalised the layout for the first subpage: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)/1]], incorporating your valuable feedback.

Please confirm if the following criteria are met:
# Clear visibility and usability on mobile devices.
# Ease of information references.

If you have additional suggestions for improving the subpage layout, please do not hesitate to share your input. Thank you for your time and constructive feedback.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy



==Re:==
Hi,

Using your example:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3101K}}
|{{Bus/SD|LTA|KCDEP}}
|{{N/A}}
|{{LTA Storage/1}} N/A
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3102H}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|'''L & R:''' Championing Sustainable Mobility. '''B:''' We Operate The Downtown Line Which Is One Of The World's Most Reliable MRT Lines. We Are Also Singapore's Largest And Most Established Public Bus Operator.
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/SBST|SG3103E}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|Luen Fook Medicine Co Pte Ltd - African Sea-Coconut Brand Cough Mixture 非洲海底椰標止咳露: Effective Against Coughs & Loosens Phlegm. Soothes Irritated & Sore Throats. 止咳化痰润喉顺气. Relief You Can Trust Since 1945. Made In Singapore. (5th Gen: Yellow & Red)
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3104C}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='style='text-align:left'|Land Transport Authority: Welcoming Our 10 New Electric Buses!
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 130 (Jun 2008 - May 2016), AMDEP SP (May 2016 - Aug 2016), AMDEP 21 (Aug 2016 - Oct 2016), AMDEP 13 (Oct 2016 - Dec 2016), AMDEP SP (Dec 2016 - Sep 2017), BNDEP 5 (Sep 2017 - Nov 2018), HGDEP SP (Nov 2018 - Dec 2018), HGDEP 112 (Dec 2018 - Apr 2022), HGDEP SP (Apr 2022 - Dec 2022), HGDEP 156 (Dec 2022 - Jan 2025)
|}

I tried to refrain from using "rowspan" because of the missing line or long scrolling effect, but this is the outcome at Scania subpage, which I chose the 2 longest one available. I'm thinking there may be more longer one at other deployment page, and it feel cramp or cause a long scrolling effect, I feel. Not too sure about you or other. If that is ok, like my previous response, I'm fine with it. But the issue we need to tackle is long-scrolling on mobile.

Regards

===Merging of Euro Emission & Batches===
Hi,

Do you think we should merge the Euro Emission and Batches as we moves to subpage. This make it easier to link from Deployment by service pages back to model, and bus community will find it easier to find/track a bus rather than remembering the batches.

So it will be like this:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Batches (Optional Column)
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|}

Bodywork differences such as Volvo B9TL CDGE/WEG/Gemilang will not be affected, similiarily to 2D/3D variants.

==Re:==
I dont get your meaning in your opinion/proposal. 😅 you mean at the main bus deployment by model page or the respective bus model pages?

== Images of buses ==

Hi, good to see you uploading a ton of photos of buses. But to my brain, I feel like there should be something you need to be careful of, some LTG watermark images thats because the mentioned images can be copyright. I hope the legend knows who am I talking to

===Reply===
Hi thanks for taking time to reply. If you need to speak more about LTG photos of buses, I suggest you ask either [[User talk:Wekelwrady|Wekelwrady]], [[User talk:Shaun|Shaun]] or [[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] because those users have the right to replace watermarked images. And technically as mentioned, it can affect aesthetics without due contact and later can be involved in Google search results

By the way, why do you want me to be sued. Did I do something wrong? Or what? You think SgWiki can be down due to that?

What do you mean people business become mine? Just talk to them because they have rights to replace watermarked, cannot is it? And actually no one is hacking the wiki. What do you mean by that bro? Alright, to sum this up, let me tell you something since you told me everything. You can snap an image of a bus from your phone camera, just like how one user did if you click on this file here:

[[File:SMB70H 983.jpg|center|200px]]

Maybe it can solve the problem?

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T09:02:42Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */

==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF

All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

== Re: Bus Service Pages ==

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully, 
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]

==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards, 
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]

===Merging of pages===
Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

== Non-revenue buses ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J

== SBS6623P damage ==

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

==Non-revenue buses==

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

==Bus Service Page==
Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

==Travel Advisory==
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards, 
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]

== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards, 
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

== Bus Deployments by Package ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • [//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E] ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Re: Jumping straight to the point, I really dislike the new format which you have put in as it makes the page very very long. Why I do not like this new format is because:
1. Most of the information found in the template can be found in each specific bus package. This includes bus models and type of service for each bus number.

2. The only information that can really be considered extra would be which neighbourhood each feeder serves, such as bishan feeders being 410, toa payoh feeders being 230, 231, etc. This information can already be derived from [[Bus Deployments by Service]], or even derived from each bus package page, as all feeders start/loop at a place with the neighbourhood name (i.e. amk feeder 265 starting at amk depot looping at amk ave 10). Hence, this is just uneccessary information for [[Bus Deployments by Package]] page which is meant to give an overview of the bus packages and not delve into the specifics.

3. People may not realise that the title is clickable, leading to specific information about each bus package being so called “inaccessible”. (yes I know I may be contradicting my earlier message but I didnt forsee this unintended consequence) Some people like me sometimes do not use laptops so there isn't a mouse to hover over the title to realise its clickable, compared with the previous format where the blue font makes it obvious that it is clickable.

I am not saying that this your ideas are worthless as there are still certain ideas which can be used to improve each individual bus package page. This include the sorting of services, where a class="wikitable sortable" can be added to the table of services to be able to sort them based on service (colour coding works too if need be). Links to each bus model in each bus package can also be placed to make it easier to go between the pages. In conclusion, I will change back the format and edit each bus package page accordingly with the edits I have suggested here unless you are able to show me what this new format does better than the old format.

Thanks for reading this and apologies for being so critical here, and I hope that you wont take offence because of this message.

== Bus History Page ==

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

==Non-Wheelchair Accessible Bus Stop==
I had verify some bus stop via the LTA Datamall, there are only 76 bus stop that are non-wheelchair accessible as followed:

{| class='wikitable'
|{{BS07231|landmark=}}||{{BS07249|landmark=}}||{{BS13101|landmark=}}||{{BS13169|landmark=}}||{{BS21099|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS21499|landmark=}}||{{BS22091|landmark=}}||{{BS23389|landmark=}}||{{BS23419|landmark=}}||{{BS24331|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS24339|landmark=}}||{{BS24681|landmark=}}||{{BS24689|landmark=}}||{{BS25269|landmark=}}||{{BS25379|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS25389|landmark=}}||{{BS25469|landmark=}}||{{BS26241|landmark=}}||{{BS26251|landmark=}}||{{BS31071|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS31081|landmark=}}||{{BS31089|landmark=}}||{{BS31201|landmark=}}||{{BS31211|landmark=}}||{{BS32041|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32049|landmark=}}||{{BS32051|landmark=}}||{{BS32059|landmark=}}||{{BS32061|landmark=}}||{{BS32069|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32071|landmark=}}||{{BS32079|landmark=}}||{{BS32101|landmark=}}||{{BS32109|landmark=}}||{{BS32111|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32119|landmark=}}||{{BS33011|landmark=}}||{{BS33019|landmark=}}||{{BS33031|landmark=}}||{{BS33051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS33059|landmark=}}||{{BS34009|landmark=}}||{{BS34011|landmark=}}||{{BS34021|landmark=}}||{{BS34029|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34031|landmark=}}||{{BS34039|landmark=}}||{{BS34041|landmark=}}||{{BS34049|landmark=}}||{{BS34051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34059|landmark=}}||{{BS43721|landmark=}}||{{BS44669|landmark=}}||{{BS46101|landmark=}}||{{BS46109|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS46211|landmark=}}||{{BS46219|landmark=}}||{{BS46239|landmark=}}||{{BS46301|landmark=}}||{{BS47711|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS48101|landmark=}}||{{BS48109|landmark=}}||{{BS49021|landmark=}}||{{BS49029|landmark=}}||{{BS49199|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS49209|landmark=}}||{{BS50169|landmark=}}||{{BS51091|landmark=}}||{{BS56061|landmark=}}||{{BS56081|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS58019|landmark=}}||{{BS66391|landmark=}}||{{BS66409|landmark=}}||{{BS80069|landmark=}}||{{BS82141|landmark=}}
|-
|style='text-align:center' colspan=5|{{BS97149|landmark=}}
|}

== Service 170X ==
For the past few months, I noticed 170X starts from Kranji station (Berth 2) instead of Opp Kranji station. Not too sure of the routing 170X took cause I didn't take 170X from Kranji. SBS Transit staff is present there to manage and guide commuters, so suspected already route amendment without announcement. Didn't really spotted any 170X anymore at Opp Kranji Station (45131).

== Re: Nearby Attractions ==
As far as I had done, I will try my best to add in big shopping mall when creating the pages, especially those near interchanges, and tourist attractions like 858 (Jewel) and 138 (Mandai Zoo etc). But of course there may be some part where I can missed out. I don't think school should be included, nor those neighbourhood malls, nor some temple/mosque (unless prominent ones where tourist/local would visited). Maybe there should be a better heading?

==Opinion==
Hi,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the proposed changes earlier. I am pleased to inform you that the bus spotting page has been launched, which I believe will assist editors in verifying deployment accuracy and enhancing the reliability of current deployment information.

To address concerns regarding potential false entries on the spotting page, I trust in the integrity of our editors to avoid posting hypothetical or inaccurate information. Additionally, I have implemented features such as Date/Time stamps and Editor attribution to reinforce accountability.

Regarding the subpages, I have launched the following: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)]]. Deployment details have been transferred to the respective subpages.

As a trial, I finalised the layout for the first subpage: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)/1]], incorporating your valuable feedback.

Please confirm if the following criteria are met:
# Clear visibility and usability on mobile devices.
# Ease of information references.

If you have additional suggestions for improving the subpage layout, please do not hesitate to share your input. Thank you for your time and constructive feedback.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy



==Re:==
Hi,

Using your example:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3101K}}
|{{Bus/SD|LTA|KCDEP}}
|{{N/A}}
|{{LTA Storage/1}} N/A
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3102H}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|'''L & R:''' Championing Sustainable Mobility. '''B:''' We Operate The Downtown Line Which Is One Of The World's Most Reliable MRT Lines. We Are Also Singapore's Largest And Most Established Public Bus Operator.
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/SBST|SG3103E}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|Luen Fook Medicine Co Pte Ltd - African Sea-Coconut Brand Cough Mixture 非洲海底椰標止咳露: Effective Against Coughs & Loosens Phlegm. Soothes Irritated & Sore Throats. 止咳化痰润喉顺气. Relief You Can Trust Since 1945. Made In Singapore. (5th Gen: Yellow & Red)
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3104C}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='style='text-align:left'|Land Transport Authority: Welcoming Our 10 New Electric Buses!
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 130 (Jun 2008 - May 2016), AMDEP SP (May 2016 - Aug 2016), AMDEP 21 (Aug 2016 - Oct 2016), AMDEP 13 (Oct 2016 - Dec 2016), AMDEP SP (Dec 2016 - Sep 2017), BNDEP 5 (Sep 2017 - Nov 2018), HGDEP SP (Nov 2018 - Dec 2018), HGDEP 112 (Dec 2018 - Apr 2022), HGDEP SP (Apr 2022 - Dec 2022), HGDEP 156 (Dec 2022 - Jan 2025)
|}

I tried to refrain from using "rowspan" because of the missing line or long scrolling effect, but this is the outcome at Scania subpage, which I chose the 2 longest one available. I'm thinking there may be more longer one at other deployment page, and it feel cramp or cause a long scrolling effect, I feel. Not too sure about you or other. If that is ok, like my previous response, I'm fine with it. But the issue we need to tackle is long-scrolling on mobile.

Regards

===Merging of Euro Emission & Batches===
Hi,

Do you think we should merge the Euro Emission and Batches as we moves to subpage. This make it easier to link from Deployment by service pages back to model, and bus community will find it easier to find/track a bus rather than remembering the batches.

So it will be like this:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Batches (Optional Column)
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|}

Bodywork differences such as Volvo B9TL CDGE/WEG/Gemilang will not be affected, similiarily to 2D/3D variants.

==Re:==
I dont get your meaning in your opinion/proposal. 😅 you mean at the main bus deployment by model page or the respective bus model pages?

== Images of buses ==

Hi, good to see you uploading a ton of photos of buses. But to my brain, I feel like there should be something you need to be careful of, some LTG watermark images thats because the mentioned images can be copyright. I hope the legend knows who am I talking to

===Reply===
Hi thanks for taking time to reply. If you need to speak more about LTG photos of buses, I suggest you ask either [[User talk:Wekelwrady|Wekelwrady]], [[User talk:Shaun|Shaun]] or [[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] because those users have the right to replace watermarked images. And technically as mentioned, it can affect aesthetics without due contact and later can be involved in Google search results

By the way, why do you want me to be sued. Did I do something wrong? Or what? You think SgWiki can be down due to that?

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T09:02:10Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */

==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF

All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

== Re: Bus Service Pages ==

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully, 
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]

==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards, 
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]

===Merging of pages===
Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

== Non-revenue buses ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J

== SBS6623P damage ==

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

==Non-revenue buses==

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

==Bus Service Page==
Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

==Travel Advisory==
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards, 
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]

== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards, 
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

== Bus Deployments by Package ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • [//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E] ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Re: Jumping straight to the point, I really dislike the new format which you have put in as it makes the page very very long. Why I do not like this new format is because:
1. Most of the information found in the template can be found in each specific bus package. This includes bus models and type of service for each bus number.

2. The only information that can really be considered extra would be which neighbourhood each feeder serves, such as bishan feeders being 410, toa payoh feeders being 230, 231, etc. This information can already be derived from [[Bus Deployments by Service]], or even derived from each bus package page, as all feeders start/loop at a place with the neighbourhood name (i.e. amk feeder 265 starting at amk depot looping at amk ave 10). Hence, this is just uneccessary information for [[Bus Deployments by Package]] page which is meant to give an overview of the bus packages and not delve into the specifics.

3. People may not realise that the title is clickable, leading to specific information about each bus package being so called “inaccessible”. (yes I know I may be contradicting my earlier message but I didnt forsee this unintended consequence) Some people like me sometimes do not use laptops so there isn't a mouse to hover over the title to realise its clickable, compared with the previous format where the blue font makes it obvious that it is clickable.

I am not saying that this your ideas are worthless as there are still certain ideas which can be used to improve each individual bus package page. This include the sorting of services, where a class="wikitable sortable" can be added to the table of services to be able to sort them based on service (colour coding works too if need be). Links to each bus model in each bus package can also be placed to make it easier to go between the pages. In conclusion, I will change back the format and edit each bus package page accordingly with the edits I have suggested here unless you are able to show me what this new format does better than the old format.

Thanks for reading this and apologies for being so critical here, and I hope that you wont take offence because of this message.

== Bus History Page ==

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

==Non-Wheelchair Accessible Bus Stop==
I had verify some bus stop via the LTA Datamall, there are only 76 bus stop that are non-wheelchair accessible as followed:

{| class='wikitable'
|{{BS07231|landmark=}}||{{BS07249|landmark=}}||{{BS13101|landmark=}}||{{BS13169|landmark=}}||{{BS21099|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS21499|landmark=}}||{{BS22091|landmark=}}||{{BS23389|landmark=}}||{{BS23419|landmark=}}||{{BS24331|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS24339|landmark=}}||{{BS24681|landmark=}}||{{BS24689|landmark=}}||{{BS25269|landmark=}}||{{BS25379|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS25389|landmark=}}||{{BS25469|landmark=}}||{{BS26241|landmark=}}||{{BS26251|landmark=}}||{{BS31071|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS31081|landmark=}}||{{BS31089|landmark=}}||{{BS31201|landmark=}}||{{BS31211|landmark=}}||{{BS32041|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32049|landmark=}}||{{BS32051|landmark=}}||{{BS32059|landmark=}}||{{BS32061|landmark=}}||{{BS32069|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32071|landmark=}}||{{BS32079|landmark=}}||{{BS32101|landmark=}}||{{BS32109|landmark=}}||{{BS32111|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32119|landmark=}}||{{BS33011|landmark=}}||{{BS33019|landmark=}}||{{BS33031|landmark=}}||{{BS33051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS33059|landmark=}}||{{BS34009|landmark=}}||{{BS34011|landmark=}}||{{BS34021|landmark=}}||{{BS34029|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34031|landmark=}}||{{BS34039|landmark=}}||{{BS34041|landmark=}}||{{BS34049|landmark=}}||{{BS34051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34059|landmark=}}||{{BS43721|landmark=}}||{{BS44669|landmark=}}||{{BS46101|landmark=}}||{{BS46109|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS46211|landmark=}}||{{BS46219|landmark=}}||{{BS46239|landmark=}}||{{BS46301|landmark=}}||{{BS47711|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS48101|landmark=}}||{{BS48109|landmark=}}||{{BS49021|landmark=}}||{{BS49029|landmark=}}||{{BS49199|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS49209|landmark=}}||{{BS50169|landmark=}}||{{BS51091|landmark=}}||{{BS56061|landmark=}}||{{BS56081|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS58019|landmark=}}||{{BS66391|landmark=}}||{{BS66409|landmark=}}||{{BS80069|landmark=}}||{{BS82141|landmark=}}
|-
|style='text-align:center' colspan=5|{{BS97149|landmark=}}
|}

== Service 170X ==
For the past few months, I noticed 170X starts from Kranji station (Berth 2) instead of Opp Kranji station. Not too sure of the routing 170X took cause I didn't take 170X from Kranji. SBS Transit staff is present there to manage and guide commuters, so suspected already route amendment without announcement. Didn't really spotted any 170X anymore at Opp Kranji Station (45131).

== Re: Nearby Attractions ==
As far as I had done, I will try my best to add in big shopping mall when creating the pages, especially those near interchanges, and tourist attractions like 858 (Jewel) and 138 (Mandai Zoo etc). But of course there may be some part where I can missed out. I don't think school should be included, nor those neighbourhood malls, nor some temple/mosque (unless prominent ones where tourist/local would visited). Maybe there should be a better heading?

==Opinion==
Hi,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the proposed changes earlier. I am pleased to inform you that the bus spotting page has been launched, which I believe will assist editors in verifying deployment accuracy and enhancing the reliability of current deployment information.

To address concerns regarding potential false entries on the spotting page, I trust in the integrity of our editors to avoid posting hypothetical or inaccurate information. Additionally, I have implemented features such as Date/Time stamps and Editor attribution to reinforce accountability.

Regarding the subpages, I have launched the following: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)]]. Deployment details have been transferred to the respective subpages.

As a trial, I finalised the layout for the first subpage: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)/1]], incorporating your valuable feedback.

Please confirm if the following criteria are met:
# Clear visibility and usability on mobile devices.
# Ease of information references.

If you have additional suggestions for improving the subpage layout, please do not hesitate to share your input. Thank you for your time and constructive feedback.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy



==Re:==
Hi,

Using your example:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3101K}}
|{{Bus/SD|LTA|KCDEP}}
|{{N/A}}
|{{LTA Storage/1}} N/A
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3102H}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|'''L & R:''' Championing Sustainable Mobility. '''B:''' We Operate The Downtown Line Which Is One Of The World's Most Reliable MRT Lines. We Are Also Singapore's Largest And Most Established Public Bus Operator.
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/SBST|SG3103E}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|Luen Fook Medicine Co Pte Ltd - African Sea-Coconut Brand Cough Mixture 非洲海底椰標止咳露: Effective Against Coughs & Loosens Phlegm. Soothes Irritated & Sore Throats. 止咳化痰润喉顺气. Relief You Can Trust Since 1945. Made In Singapore. (5th Gen: Yellow & Red)
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3104C}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='style='text-align:left'|Land Transport Authority: Welcoming Our 10 New Electric Buses!
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 130 (Jun 2008 - May 2016), AMDEP SP (May 2016 - Aug 2016), AMDEP 21 (Aug 2016 - Oct 2016), AMDEP 13 (Oct 2016 - Dec 2016), AMDEP SP (Dec 2016 - Sep 2017), BNDEP 5 (Sep 2017 - Nov 2018), HGDEP SP (Nov 2018 - Dec 2018), HGDEP 112 (Dec 2018 - Apr 2022), HGDEP SP (Apr 2022 - Dec 2022), HGDEP 156 (Dec 2022 - Jan 2025)
|}

I tried to refrain from using "rowspan" because of the missing line or long scrolling effect, but this is the outcome at Scania subpage, which I chose the 2 longest one available. I'm thinking there may be more longer one at other deployment page, and it feel cramp or cause a long scrolling effect, I feel. Not too sure about you or other. If that is ok, like my previous response, I'm fine with it. But the issue we need to tackle is long-scrolling on mobile.

Regards

===Merging of Euro Emission & Batches===
Hi,

Do you think we should merge the Euro Emission and Batches as we moves to subpage. This make it easier to link from Deployment by service pages back to model, and bus community will find it easier to find/track a bus rather than remembering the batches.

So it will be like this:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Batches (Optional Column)
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|}

Bodywork differences such as Volvo B9TL CDGE/WEG/Gemilang will not be affected, similiarily to 2D/3D variants.

==Re:==
I dont get your meaning in your opinion/proposal. 😅 you mean at the main bus deployment by model page or the respective bus model pages?

== Images of buses ==

Hi, good to see you uploading a ton of photos of buses. But to my brain, I feel like there should be something you need to be careful of, some LTG watermark images thats because the mentioned images can be copyright. I hope the legend knows who am I talking to

===Reply===
Hi thanks for taking time to reply. If you need to speak more about LTG photos of buses, I suggest you ask either [[User talk:Wekelwrady|Wekelwrady]], [[User talk:Shaun|Shaun]] or [[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] because those users have the right to replace watermarked images. And technically as mentioned, it can affect aesthetics without due contact

By the way, why do you want me to be sued. Did I do something wrong? Or what? You think SgWiki can be down due to that?

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T08:54:52Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */

==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF

All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

== Re: Bus Service Pages ==

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully, 
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]

==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards, 
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]

===Merging of pages===
Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

== Non-revenue buses ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J

== SBS6623P damage ==

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

==Non-revenue buses==

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

==Bus Service Page==
Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

==Travel Advisory==
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards, 
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]

== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards, 
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

== Bus Deployments by Package ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • [//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E] ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Re: Jumping straight to the point, I really dislike the new format which you have put in as it makes the page very very long. Why I do not like this new format is because:
1. Most of the information found in the template can be found in each specific bus package. This includes bus models and type of service for each bus number.

2. The only information that can really be considered extra would be which neighbourhood each feeder serves, such as bishan feeders being 410, toa payoh feeders being 230, 231, etc. This information can already be derived from [[Bus Deployments by Service]], or even derived from each bus package page, as all feeders start/loop at a place with the neighbourhood name (i.e. amk feeder 265 starting at amk depot looping at amk ave 10). Hence, this is just uneccessary information for [[Bus Deployments by Package]] page which is meant to give an overview of the bus packages and not delve into the specifics.

3. People may not realise that the title is clickable, leading to specific information about each bus package being so called “inaccessible”. (yes I know I may be contradicting my earlier message but I didnt forsee this unintended consequence) Some people like me sometimes do not use laptops so there isn't a mouse to hover over the title to realise its clickable, compared with the previous format where the blue font makes it obvious that it is clickable.

I am not saying that this your ideas are worthless as there are still certain ideas which can be used to improve each individual bus package page. This include the sorting of services, where a class="wikitable sortable" can be added to the table of services to be able to sort them based on service (colour coding works too if need be). Links to each bus model in each bus package can also be placed to make it easier to go between the pages. In conclusion, I will change back the format and edit each bus package page accordingly with the edits I have suggested here unless you are able to show me what this new format does better than the old format.

Thanks for reading this and apologies for being so critical here, and I hope that you wont take offence because of this message.

== Bus History Page ==

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

==Non-Wheelchair Accessible Bus Stop==
I had verify some bus stop via the LTA Datamall, there are only 76 bus stop that are non-wheelchair accessible as followed:

{| class='wikitable'
|{{BS07231|landmark=}}||{{BS07249|landmark=}}||{{BS13101|landmark=}}||{{BS13169|landmark=}}||{{BS21099|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS21499|landmark=}}||{{BS22091|landmark=}}||{{BS23389|landmark=}}||{{BS23419|landmark=}}||{{BS24331|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS24339|landmark=}}||{{BS24681|landmark=}}||{{BS24689|landmark=}}||{{BS25269|landmark=}}||{{BS25379|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS25389|landmark=}}||{{BS25469|landmark=}}||{{BS26241|landmark=}}||{{BS26251|landmark=}}||{{BS31071|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS31081|landmark=}}||{{BS31089|landmark=}}||{{BS31201|landmark=}}||{{BS31211|landmark=}}||{{BS32041|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32049|landmark=}}||{{BS32051|landmark=}}||{{BS32059|landmark=}}||{{BS32061|landmark=}}||{{BS32069|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32071|landmark=}}||{{BS32079|landmark=}}||{{BS32101|landmark=}}||{{BS32109|landmark=}}||{{BS32111|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32119|landmark=}}||{{BS33011|landmark=}}||{{BS33019|landmark=}}||{{BS33031|landmark=}}||{{BS33051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS33059|landmark=}}||{{BS34009|landmark=}}||{{BS34011|landmark=}}||{{BS34021|landmark=}}||{{BS34029|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34031|landmark=}}||{{BS34039|landmark=}}||{{BS34041|landmark=}}||{{BS34049|landmark=}}||{{BS34051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34059|landmark=}}||{{BS43721|landmark=}}||{{BS44669|landmark=}}||{{BS46101|landmark=}}||{{BS46109|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS46211|landmark=}}||{{BS46219|landmark=}}||{{BS46239|landmark=}}||{{BS46301|landmark=}}||{{BS47711|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS48101|landmark=}}||{{BS48109|landmark=}}||{{BS49021|landmark=}}||{{BS49029|landmark=}}||{{BS49199|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS49209|landmark=}}||{{BS50169|landmark=}}||{{BS51091|landmark=}}||{{BS56061|landmark=}}||{{BS56081|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS58019|landmark=}}||{{BS66391|landmark=}}||{{BS66409|landmark=}}||{{BS80069|landmark=}}||{{BS82141|landmark=}}
|-
|style='text-align:center' colspan=5|{{BS97149|landmark=}}
|}

== Service 170X ==
For the past few months, I noticed 170X starts from Kranji station (Berth 2) instead of Opp Kranji station. Not too sure of the routing 170X took cause I didn't take 170X from Kranji. SBS Transit staff is present there to manage and guide commuters, so suspected already route amendment without announcement. Didn't really spotted any 170X anymore at Opp Kranji Station (45131).

== Re: Nearby Attractions ==
As far as I had done, I will try my best to add in big shopping mall when creating the pages, especially those near interchanges, and tourist attractions like 858 (Jewel) and 138 (Mandai Zoo etc). But of course there may be some part where I can missed out. I don't think school should be included, nor those neighbourhood malls, nor some temple/mosque (unless prominent ones where tourist/local would visited). Maybe there should be a better heading?

==Opinion==
Hi,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the proposed changes earlier. I am pleased to inform you that the bus spotting page has been launched, which I believe will assist editors in verifying deployment accuracy and enhancing the reliability of current deployment information.

To address concerns regarding potential false entries on the spotting page, I trust in the integrity of our editors to avoid posting hypothetical or inaccurate information. Additionally, I have implemented features such as Date/Time stamps and Editor attribution to reinforce accountability.

Regarding the subpages, I have launched the following: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)]]. Deployment details have been transferred to the respective subpages.

As a trial, I finalised the layout for the first subpage: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)/1]], incorporating your valuable feedback.

Please confirm if the following criteria are met:
# Clear visibility and usability on mobile devices.
# Ease of information references.

If you have additional suggestions for improving the subpage layout, please do not hesitate to share your input. Thank you for your time and constructive feedback.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy



==Re:==
Hi,

Using your example:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3101K}}
|{{Bus/SD|LTA|KCDEP}}
|{{N/A}}
|{{LTA Storage/1}} N/A
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3102H}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|'''L & R:''' Championing Sustainable Mobility. '''B:''' We Operate The Downtown Line Which Is One Of The World's Most Reliable MRT Lines. We Are Also Singapore's Largest And Most Established Public Bus Operator.
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/SBST|SG3103E}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|Luen Fook Medicine Co Pte Ltd - African Sea-Coconut Brand Cough Mixture 非洲海底椰標止咳露: Effective Against Coughs & Loosens Phlegm. Soothes Irritated & Sore Throats. 止咳化痰润喉顺气. Relief You Can Trust Since 1945. Made In Singapore. (5th Gen: Yellow & Red)
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3104C}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='style='text-align:left'|Land Transport Authority: Welcoming Our 10 New Electric Buses!
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 130 (Jun 2008 - May 2016), AMDEP SP (May 2016 - Aug 2016), AMDEP 21 (Aug 2016 - Oct 2016), AMDEP 13 (Oct 2016 - Dec 2016), AMDEP SP (Dec 2016 - Sep 2017), BNDEP 5 (Sep 2017 - Nov 2018), HGDEP SP (Nov 2018 - Dec 2018), HGDEP 112 (Dec 2018 - Apr 2022), HGDEP SP (Apr 2022 - Dec 2022), HGDEP 156 (Dec 2022 - Jan 2025)
|}

I tried to refrain from using "rowspan" because of the missing line or long scrolling effect, but this is the outcome at Scania subpage, which I chose the 2 longest one available. I'm thinking there may be more longer one at other deployment page, and it feel cramp or cause a long scrolling effect, I feel. Not too sure about you or other. If that is ok, like my previous response, I'm fine with it. But the issue we need to tackle is long-scrolling on mobile.

Regards

===Merging of Euro Emission & Batches===
Hi,

Do you think we should merge the Euro Emission and Batches as we moves to subpage. This make it easier to link from Deployment by service pages back to model, and bus community will find it easier to find/track a bus rather than remembering the batches.

So it will be like this:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Batches (Optional Column)
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|}

Bodywork differences such as Volvo B9TL CDGE/WEG/Gemilang will not be affected, similiarily to 2D/3D variants.

==Re:==
I dont get your meaning in your opinion/proposal. 😅 you mean at the main bus deployment by model page or the respective bus model pages?

== Images of buses ==

Hi, good to see you uploading a ton of photos of buses. But to my brain, I feel like there should be something you need to be careful of, some LTG watermark images thats because the mentioned images can be copyright. I hope the legend knows who am I talking to

===Reply===
Hi thanks for taking time to reply. If you need to speak more about LTG photos of buses, I suggest you ask either [[User talk:Wekelwrady|Wekelwrady]], [[User talk:Shaun|Shaun]] or [[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] because those users have the right to replace watermarked images.

By the way, why do you want me to be sued. Did I do something wrong? Or what? You think SgWiki can be down due to that?

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T08:51:29Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Reply */

==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF

All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

== Re: Bus Service Pages ==

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully, 
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]

==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards, 
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]

===Merging of pages===
Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

== Non-revenue buses ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J

== SBS6623P damage ==

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

==Non-revenue buses==

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

==Bus Service Page==
Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

==Travel Advisory==
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards, 
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]

== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards, 
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

== Bus Deployments by Package ==

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • [//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E] ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.

Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Re: Jumping straight to the point, I really dislike the new format which you have put in as it makes the page very very long. Why I do not like this new format is because:
1. Most of the information found in the template can be found in each specific bus package. This includes bus models and type of service for each bus number.

2. The only information that can really be considered extra would be which neighbourhood each feeder serves, such as bishan feeders being 410, toa payoh feeders being 230, 231, etc. This information can already be derived from [[Bus Deployments by Service]], or even derived from each bus package page, as all feeders start/loop at a place with the neighbourhood name (i.e. amk feeder 265 starting at amk depot looping at amk ave 10). Hence, this is just uneccessary information for [[Bus Deployments by Package]] page which is meant to give an overview of the bus packages and not delve into the specifics.

3. People may not realise that the title is clickable, leading to specific information about each bus package being so called “inaccessible”. (yes I know I may be contradicting my earlier message but I didnt forsee this unintended consequence) Some people like me sometimes do not use laptops so there isn't a mouse to hover over the title to realise its clickable, compared with the previous format where the blue font makes it obvious that it is clickable.

I am not saying that this your ideas are worthless as there are still certain ideas which can be used to improve each individual bus package page. This include the sorting of services, where a class="wikitable sortable" can be added to the table of services to be able to sort them based on service (colour coding works too if need be). Links to each bus model in each bus package can also be placed to make it easier to go between the pages. In conclusion, I will change back the format and edit each bus package page accordingly with the edits I have suggested here unless you are able to show me what this new format does better than the old format.

Thanks for reading this and apologies for being so critical here, and I hope that you wont take offence because of this message.

== Bus History Page ==

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

==Non-Wheelchair Accessible Bus Stop==
I had verify some bus stop via the LTA Datamall, there are only 76 bus stop that are non-wheelchair accessible as followed:

{| class='wikitable'
|{{BS07231|landmark=}}||{{BS07249|landmark=}}||{{BS13101|landmark=}}||{{BS13169|landmark=}}||{{BS21099|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS21499|landmark=}}||{{BS22091|landmark=}}||{{BS23389|landmark=}}||{{BS23419|landmark=}}||{{BS24331|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS24339|landmark=}}||{{BS24681|landmark=}}||{{BS24689|landmark=}}||{{BS25269|landmark=}}||{{BS25379|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS25389|landmark=}}||{{BS25469|landmark=}}||{{BS26241|landmark=}}||{{BS26251|landmark=}}||{{BS31071|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS31081|landmark=}}||{{BS31089|landmark=}}||{{BS31201|landmark=}}||{{BS31211|landmark=}}||{{BS32041|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32049|landmark=}}||{{BS32051|landmark=}}||{{BS32059|landmark=}}||{{BS32061|landmark=}}||{{BS32069|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32071|landmark=}}||{{BS32079|landmark=}}||{{BS32101|landmark=}}||{{BS32109|landmark=}}||{{BS32111|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS32119|landmark=}}||{{BS33011|landmark=}}||{{BS33019|landmark=}}||{{BS33031|landmark=}}||{{BS33051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS33059|landmark=}}||{{BS34009|landmark=}}||{{BS34011|landmark=}}||{{BS34021|landmark=}}||{{BS34029|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34031|landmark=}}||{{BS34039|landmark=}}||{{BS34041|landmark=}}||{{BS34049|landmark=}}||{{BS34051|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS34059|landmark=}}||{{BS43721|landmark=}}||{{BS44669|landmark=}}||{{BS46101|landmark=}}||{{BS46109|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS46211|landmark=}}||{{BS46219|landmark=}}||{{BS46239|landmark=}}||{{BS46301|landmark=}}||{{BS47711|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS48101|landmark=}}||{{BS48109|landmark=}}||{{BS49021|landmark=}}||{{BS49029|landmark=}}||{{BS49199|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS49209|landmark=}}||{{BS50169|landmark=}}||{{BS51091|landmark=}}||{{BS56061|landmark=}}||{{BS56081|landmark=}}
|-
|{{BS58019|landmark=}}||{{BS66391|landmark=}}||{{BS66409|landmark=}}||{{BS80069|landmark=}}||{{BS82141|landmark=}}
|-
|style='text-align:center' colspan=5|{{BS97149|landmark=}}
|}

== Service 170X ==
For the past few months, I noticed 170X starts from Kranji station (Berth 2) instead of Opp Kranji station. Not too sure of the routing 170X took cause I didn't take 170X from Kranji. SBS Transit staff is present there to manage and guide commuters, so suspected already route amendment without announcement. Didn't really spotted any 170X anymore at Opp Kranji Station (45131).

== Re: Nearby Attractions ==
As far as I had done, I will try my best to add in big shopping mall when creating the pages, especially those near interchanges, and tourist attractions like 858 (Jewel) and 138 (Mandai Zoo etc). But of course there may be some part where I can missed out. I don't think school should be included, nor those neighbourhood malls, nor some temple/mosque (unless prominent ones where tourist/local would visited). Maybe there should be a better heading?

==Opinion==
Hi,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on the proposed changes earlier. I am pleased to inform you that the bus spotting page has been launched, which I believe will assist editors in verifying deployment accuracy and enhancing the reliability of current deployment information.

To address concerns regarding potential false entries on the spotting page, I trust in the integrity of our editors to avoid posting hypothetical or inaccurate information. Additionally, I have implemented features such as Date/Time stamps and Editor attribution to reinforce accountability.

Regarding the subpages, I have launched the following: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)]]. Deployment details have been transferred to the respective subpages.

As a trial, I finalised the layout for the first subpage: [[Scania K230UB (Euro IV) (Batch 2)/1]], incorporating your valuable feedback.

Please confirm if the following criteria are met:
# Clear visibility and usability on mobile devices.
# Ease of information references.

If you have additional suggestions for improving the subpage layout, please do not hesitate to share your input. Thank you for your time and constructive feedback.

Regards, Supernutorcrazy



==Re:==
Hi,

Using your example:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3101K}}
|{{Bus/SD|LTA|KCDEP}}
|{{N/A}}
|{{LTA Storage/1}} N/A
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3102H}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|'''L & R:''' Championing Sustainable Mobility. '''B:''' We Operate The Downtown Line Which Is One Of The World's Most Reliable MRT Lines. We Are Also Singapore's Largest And Most Established Public Bus Operator.
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/SBST|SG3103E}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='text-align:left'|Luen Fook Medicine Co Pte Ltd - African Sea-Coconut Brand Cough Mixture 非洲海底椰標止咳露: Effective Against Coughs & Loosens Phlegm. Soothes Irritated & Sore Throats. 止咳化痰润喉顺气. Relief You Can Trust Since 1945. Made In Singapore. (5th Gen: Yellow & Red)
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 86 (Dec 2024 - Jan 2025)
|-
|{{Livery/LTA|SG3104C}}
|{{Bus/SD|SBST|SWDEP|{{Bus/T|86}}}}
|style='style='text-align:left'|Land Transport Authority: Welcoming Our 10 New Electric Buses!
|style='text-align:left'|{{SBST/1}} AMDEP 130 (Jun 2008 - May 2016), AMDEP SP (May 2016 - Aug 2016), AMDEP 21 (Aug 2016 - Oct 2016), AMDEP 13 (Oct 2016 - Dec 2016), AMDEP SP (Dec 2016 - Sep 2017), BNDEP 5 (Sep 2017 - Nov 2018), HGDEP SP (Nov 2018 - Dec 2018), HGDEP 112 (Dec 2018 - Apr 2022), HGDEP SP (Apr 2022 - Dec 2022), HGDEP 156 (Dec 2022 - Jan 2025)
|}

I tried to refrain from using "rowspan" because of the missing line or long scrolling effect, but this is the outcome at Scania subpage, which I chose the 2 longest one available. I'm thinking there may be more longer one at other deployment page, and it feel cramp or cause a long scrolling effect, I feel. Not too sure about you or other. If that is ok, like my previous response, I'm fine with it. But the issue we need to tackle is long-scrolling on mobile.

Regards

===Merging of Euro Emission & Batches===
Hi,

Do you think we should merge the Euro Emission and Batches as we moves to subpage. This make it easier to link from Deployment by service pages back to model, and bus community will find it easier to find/track a bus rather than remembering the batches.

So it will be like this:

{|class='wikitable sortable'
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Registration no.
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Deployment
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}' width=10%|Batches (Optional Column)
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Advertisement
!class=unsortable style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=|bgop=a0}}text-align:center' width=40%|Former Deployments
|}

Bodywork differences such as Volvo B9TL CDGE/WEG/Gemilang will not be affected, similiarily to 2D/3D variants.

==Re:==
I dont get your meaning in your opinion/proposal. 😅 you mean at the main bus deployment by model page or the respective bus model pages?

== Images of buses ==

Hi, good to see you uploading a ton of photos of buses. But to my brain, I feel like there should be something you need to be careful of, some LTG watermark images thats because the mentioned images can be copyright. I hope the legend knows who am I talking to

===Reply===
Hi thanks for taking time to reply. If you need to speak more about LTG photos of buses, I suggest you ask either [[User talk:Wekelwrady|Wekelwrady]], [[User talk:Shaun|Shaun]] or [[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] because those users have the right to replace watermarked images.

By the way, why do you want me to be sued. Did I do something wrong? Or what? You think SgWiki can be down due to that?

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-21T08:49:04Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-21T05:08:44Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

'''WARNING:''' If you need to edit my userpage, ask for permission on my talk page before editing

Hi I am InquisitorViolator7533 but you can call me Inq for short. I only edit services that are from the east side of Singapore such as Bedok, cuz I live there. The reason why I decided to join is because I would like to know what happened in SgWiki. Please note that I do not edit on other sites related to SgWiki or Wikipedia such as FANDOM, thats because I dont have an account :/

I have created a [[User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox|sandbox]] page for my personal try-outs

==Something that shock me==
I saw this fandom if you know what this is: https://sgbus.fandom.com/wiki/SGBus_Wiki

This fandom is copying everything from SgWiki, maybe we will discuss that?

This userpage is WIP

Take note I only focus on east services. If you asking why I edit services on other sides instead of east because of images with watermark, but take note, focusing on EAST.

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-21T05:00:48Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

'''WARNING:''' If you need to edit my userpage, ask for permission on my talk page before editing

Hi I am InquisitorViolator7533 but you can call me Inq for short. I only edit services that are from the east side of Singapore such as Bedok, cuz I live there. The reason why I decided to join is because I would like to know what happened in SgWiki. Please note that I do not edit on other sites related to SgWiki or Wikipedia such as FANDOM, thats because I dont have an account :/

I have created a [[User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox|sandbox]] page for my personal try-outs

==Something that shock me==
I saw this fandom if you know what this is: https://sgbus.fandom.com/wiki/SGBus_Wiki

This fandom is copying everything from SgWiki, maybe we will discuss that?

This userpage is WIP

User talk:CurryGreenLine

2025-03-21T04:55:24Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;'
|+
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet Size
!colspan=3 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
|rowspan=2|''The fleet size''
!''(Number of Single Deckers buses based on fleet size)'' Single Deckers
!''(Number of Double Deckers buses based on fleet size)'' Double Deckers
!''(Number of Articulated buses based on fleet size)'' Articulated
|-
|}

== Images ==

Hi, good to see you having a batch of buses you uploaded, however some of your images, with the landtransportguru watermark images in the middle can still be copyright. Due to that, you can see by my quotes LTG images are copyright for some reasons and many people complaining about it.

User talk:CurryGreenLine

2025-03-21T04:55:13Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images */ new section

{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;'
|+
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
!style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet Size
!colspan=3 style='{{CSS/BUS|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Fleet
|-
!rowspan=2 style='{{CSS/BUS|bgop=c0|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Depot
|rowspan=2|''The fleet size''
!''(Number of Single Deckers buses based on fleet size)'' Single Deckers
!''(Number of Double Deckers buses based on fleet size)'' Double Deckers
!''(Number of Articulated buses based on fleet size)'' Articulated
|-
|

== Images ==

Hi, good to see you having a batch of buses you uploaded, however some of your images, with the landtransportguru watermark images in the middle can still be copyright. Due to that, you can see by my quotes LTG images are copyright for some reasons and many people complaining about it.

File:SG6365X 69.jpg

2025-03-21T02:55:23Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Image credits to Singapore Buses on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=939966674153508&set=a.939966820820160

== Summary ==
Image credits to Singapore Buses on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=939966674153508&set=a.939966820820160

File:SBS6440A 84G.jpg

2025-03-21T02:47:46Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Image credits to Singapore Buses on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1013456506804524&set=a.896937705123072

== Summary ==
Image credits to Singapore Buses on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1013456506804524&set=a.896937705123072

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-18T16:02:52Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

'''WARNING:''' If you need to edit my userpage, ask for permission on my talk page before editing

Hi I am InquisitorViolator7533 but you can call me Inq for short. The reason why I decided to join is because I would like to know what happened in SgWiki. Please note that I do not edit on other sites related to SgWiki or Wikipedia such as FANDOM, thats because I dont have an account :/

I have created a [[User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox|sandbox]] page for my personal try-outs

==Something that shock me==
I saw this fandom if you know what this is: https://sgbus.fandom.com/wiki/SGBus_Wiki

This fandom is copying everything from SgWiki, maybe we will discuss that?

This userpage is WIP

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-18T15:48:12Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

User:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-18T15:47:03Z

InquisitorViolator7533:

Hi I am InquisitorViolator7533 but you can call me Inq for short. The reason why I decided to join is because I would like to know what happened in SgWiki. Please note that I do not edit on other sites related to SgWiki or Wikipedia such as FANDOM, thats because I dont have an account :/

I have created a [[User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox|sandbox]] page for my personal try-outs

This userpage is WIP

User:InquisitorViolator7533/Sandbox

2025-03-18T15:33:01Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Created page with "Testing out a new project. Cause the one on the Bus Service page isn't accurate due to combined days, I have tried this project, see if this can be ok for bus service pages. {| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;' !style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Direction !style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Days !style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Peak (First Bus - 08:30) !style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Off Peak (08:31 - 16:59) !style='{{CSS/SBS..."

Testing out a new project. Cause the one on the Bus Service page isn't accurate due to combined days, I have tried this project, see if this can be ok for bus service pages.

{| class='wikitable' style='text-align:center;'
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Direction
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|Days
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Peak (First Bus - 08:30)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|AM Off Peak (08:31 - 16:59)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|PM Peak (17:00 - 19:00)
!style='{{CSS/SBST|xfc=|xbc=}}'|PM Off Peak (19:01 - Last Bus)
|-
!rowspan=3|towards Kent Ridge
|'''Weekdays'''
|10 - 19 minutes
|09 - 15 minutes
|15 minutes
|14 - 17 minutes
|-
|'''Saturdays'''
|08 - 13 minutes
|10 - 18 minutes
|13 - 15 minutes
|10 - 15 minutes
|-
|'''Suns & P.Hs'''
|11 - 14 minutes
|11 - 16 minutes
|13 - 14 minutes
|13 - 15 minutes
|-
!rowspan=3|towards Bedok
|'''Weekdays'''
|12 - 15 minutes
|10 - 18 minutes
|08 - 18 minutes
|09 - 19 minutes
|-
|'''Saturdays'''
|09 - 12 minutes
|10 - 15 minutes
|12 - 14 minutes
|13 - 16 minutes
|-
|'''Suns & P.Hs'''
|11 - 12 minutes
|12 - 15 minutes
|15 - 16 minutes
|12 - 16 minutes
|}

For Bus Service 33 frequency timings. Not sure if we are ok for bus service pages but will the admin see. Idk :/

User talk:CastJared

2025-03-18T15:18:02Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Another message */

User talk:CastJared

2025-03-18T15:10:57Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Replace an image thats not watermark on bus model pages */

User talk:Sgbusntrain

2025-03-18T15:01:21Z

InquisitorViolator7533: /* Images of buses */ new section

User talk:InquisitorViolator7533

2025-03-18T14:56:37Z

InquisitorViolator7533: Created page with "Just add what you want on my talk page"

Just add what you want on my talk page