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Supernutorcrazy: /* Result */ Fixed grammer

2020-04-13T08:21:59Z

Result: Fixed grammer

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	If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.		If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.

	If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different ~~operation~~ spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not justify itself in this context.		If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operators' spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not justify itself in this context.

	Given such a situation, '''the final result will be announced after defining the meaning of variant at the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].		Given such a situation, '''the final result will be announced after defining the meaning of variant at the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].

Supernutorcrazy: /* Result */

2020-04-03T10:33:11Z

Result

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	If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.		If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.

	If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.		If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not justify itself in this context.

	Given such a situation, '''the final result will be announced after defining the meaning of variant at the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].		Given such a situation, '''the final result will be announced after defining the meaning of variant at the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].

Supernutorcrazy: /* Result */

2020-04-03T10:32:05Z

Result

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	If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.		If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.

	Given such a situation, '''~~this debate~~ will be ~~brought towards~~ the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].		Given such a situation, '''the final result will be announced after defining the meaning of variant at the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].

	==Starter Post==		==Starter Post==

Supernutorcrazy: /* Result */

2020-04-03T06:18:41Z

Result

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	If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.		If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.

	Given such a situation, '''~~the~~ debate will be ~~voided~~'''.		Given such a situation, '''this debate will be brought towards the next debate - [[SgWiki:Definition of bus variant (Poll/Discussion)\|definition of bus variant''']].

	==Starter Post==		==Starter Post==

Supernutorcrazy: /* Result */

2020-04-03T05:44:58Z

Result

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	*MAN ND323F had the same exterior layout, therefore the naming does not include emission.		*MAN ND323F had the same exterior layout, therefore the naming does not include emission.

	With that in mind, it is puzzling to see that why editors have multiple definition of "variants". MAN NL323F (A22) had two distinct bodywork, ~~Man~~ Lion City Hybrid bodywork for Euro V and MAN Lion City bodywork for Euro VI, under the majority definition, it should be rename with the emission standard. However, editors voted against such a naming convention.		With that in mind, it is puzzling to see that why editors have multiple definition of "variants". MAN NL323F (A22) had two distinct bodywork, MAN Lion City Hybrid bodywork for Euro V and MAN Lion City bodywork for Euro VI, under the majority definition, it should be rename with the emission standard. However, editors voted against such a naming convention.

	If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.		If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.

Supernutorcrazy at 05:43, 3 April 2020

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	==~~Poll~~ Result==		==Result==
	~~{{SgWiki talk~~:~~Renaming of~~ MAN ND323F~~/MAN NL323F/SCANIA K230UB (Poll/Discussion)}}~~		Majority of the editors disagreed with the renaming exercise due to the following reason:
			*Scania K230UB had different exterior parts therefore warrant a differentiation in emission.
			*MAN ND323F had the same exterior layout, therefore the naming does not include emission.

	~~==Option Elaboration==~~		With that in mind, it is puzzling to see that why editors have multiple definition of "variants". MAN NL323F (A22) had two distinct bodywork, Man Lion City Hybrid bodywork for Euro V and MAN Lion City bodywork for Euro VI, under the majority definition, it should be rename with the emission standard. However, editors voted against such a naming convention.
	*1 - Renaming of MAN ND323F/MAN NL323F with Euro Emissions (SG2017C Demonstrator)
	**Acknowledge that ~~the fact that the engine model~~ is ~~different from the Euro V batch, but would like~~ to see ~~a naming standardisation.~~		If we going to rename MAN NL323F which follows Scania K230UB syntax, editors may voice a second debate that why MAN ND323F don't follow suit in the name of standardisation.
	**SG2017C should be classified as Euro IV demonstrator to prevent confusion of ~~Euro V/VI mix-up~~.
	**'''MAN NL323F (~~Batch 1/2/3~~) ~~-> MAN NL323F (~~Euro V ~~Batch 1/2/3)'''~~		If we going to rename both MAN NL323F (A22) and MAN ND323F (A95) or rename Scania K230UB, than is a problem. Decision was made based on the minority and that not the norm. Citing the previous citaro debate, the decision to rename SMRT Production Batch 1 & Batch 2 into a common Batch SMRT takes into account about preventing mix-up in 'A'/'B' notation for different operation spec where the majority prefer for Batch 1A/1B. But the action to not take the majority view does not itself in this context.
	**'''MAN NL323F (Batch 4) -> MAN ~~NL323F (~~Euro VI ~~Batch 1)'''~~
	**'''MAN ND323F (Batch 1/2/3) -> MAN ND323F (Euro V Batch 1/2/3)'''		Given such a situation, '''the debate will be voided'''.
	**'''MAN ND323F (Batch 4/5) -> MAN ND323F (Euro VI Batch 1/2)'''
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1/2)'''
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2)'''
	*2 - Renaming of MAN ND323F/MAN NL323F with ~~Euro Emissions (SG2017C Not a Demonstrator)~~
	**Acknowledge that the ~~fact that the engine model is different from the Euro V batch~~, ~~but would like to see~~ a naming ~~standardisation~~.
	**SG2017C should be classified as Euro V Batch 3 as it was part of the Euro V Batch 3 orders.
	**'''MAN NL323F ~~(Batch 1/2/3) ->~~ MAN ~~NL323F (Euro V Batch 1/2/3)''~~'
	**'''MAN NL323F (~~Batch 4~~) ~~-> MAN NL323F (Euro VI Batch 1)'''~~
	**'''MAN ND323F (Batch 1/2/3) -> MAN ND323F (Euro V Batch 1/2/3)'''
	**'''MAN ND323F (~~Batch 4/5~~) ~~-> MAN ND323F (Euro VI Batch 1/2)'''~~
	**'''Scania K230UB ~~(Euro IV Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1/2)'''~~
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2)'''
	*3 - Renaming of Scania K230UB without Euro Emissions
	**Acknowledge that the ~~fact that~~ the ~~exterior, engine and transmission model are different~~, ~~but since~~ the ~~different of batch can have this differences, would rather see a naming standardisation.~~
	**'''MAN NL323F (Batch 1~~/2/3/4) -> MAN NL323F (~~Batch 1/2~~/3/4)'''~~
	**'''MAN ND323F (Batch ~~1/2/3/4/5)~~ -~~> MAN ND323F (Batch 1/2/3/4/5)''~~'
	**'~~''Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1~~/~~2) -> Scania K230UB (Batch 1/2)~~'''
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/~~2) -> Scania K230UB (Batch 3/4)'''~~
	*4 - No Change
	**As long as the interior and exterior don't change, it consider a ~~batch~~, ~~else consider a variant.~~
	**'''~~MAN NL323F (Batch 1/2/3/4) -> MAN NL323F (Batch 1/2/3/4)'''~~
	**'''MAN ND323F (Batch 1/2/3/4/5) -> MAN ND323F (Batch 1/2/3/4/5)'''
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro IV Batch 1/2)'''
	**'''Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2) -> Scania K230UB (Euro V Batch 1/2)'''

	==Starter Post==		==Starter Post==

Supernutorcrazy: Poll closed. Sufficient viewpoint to not drag further.

2020-04-03T04:43:40Z

Poll closed. Sufficient viewpoint to not drag further.

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	\|bgcolor=#FEE\|<big>		\|bgcolor=#FEE\|<big>Thank to overwhelming responds, the poll had been closed.</big>
	*Please enter your opinion below the heading '''Your Opinion Below'''
	*'''For your vote to ~~be qualified~~, ~~please insert your vote (option text or number) beside or after your name in clear implication.''' The list of voting options are:~~
	**1 - Renaming of MAN ND323F/MAN NL323F with Euro Emissions (SG2017C Demonstrator)
	**2 - Renaming of MAN ND323F/MAN NL323F with Euro Emissions (SG2017C Not a Demonstrator)
	**3 - Renaming of Scania K230UB without Euro Emissions
	**4 - No Change
	**5 - Abstain / To be discuss at a later date.
	*You may refer to the '''Option Elaboration''' for a detail description of options.
	*'''Do note that you may cast your vote for more than 1 option.''' This is due to the fact that some options are interchangeable/having the ~~same implication~~.
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