User talk:Dragomir7 - Revision history

Supernutorcrazy at 07:47, 12 March 2025

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-==History==
+==Re: History==
 Hi,
-I was wondering what if for the history pages, what if we combined it into the pages like:
+Sandbox is for you to experiment things but in your record, you mention of keeping for safeguard as snapshot. This is not the main purpose of sandbox. Furthermore, the mass creation means you do not intend to use it for experimental and use it for your own goodness sake, which was forbidden in sgWiki. If not why bus spotting by photo and image was purging frequently to free space in sgWiki.
-*[[2021]]
+Next up, your request on keeping track of Service by service/classification will be implemented. Refer to [[History of Services 1 - 50]] (as per the reason in the deletion log). This include the current route using transclusion. It my fault to use the wrong hyperlink due to typo.
-instead of transclude to the main page, with the main history page becoming chronological order?
+If you are insisted in creating your own record, then I might as well purge the new current transclusion.
-— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]], 03:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
+[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 15:47, 12 March 2025 (+08)

Supernutorcrazy at 05:05, 7 March 2025

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	::::I see that you are [[:Special:Contributions/Supernutorcrazy\|making major changes]]. Do retain the page edit histories by using move page if you please (especially considering that there may be other pages that [[:Special:WhatLinksHere\|link]] to the relevant history page), and also retain the transclusions on each bus page such that there can be a dedicated page that shows histories of existing services without needing the user to constantly skip around. Thanks; [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:37, 7 March 2025 (+08)		::::I see that you are [[:Special:Contributions/Supernutorcrazy\|making major changes]]. Do retain the page edit histories by using move page if you please (especially considering that there may be other pages that [[:Special:WhatLinksHere\|link]] to the relevant history page), and also retain the transclusions on each bus page such that there can be a dedicated page that shows histories of existing services without needing the user to constantly skip around. Thanks; [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:37, 7 March 2025 (+08)

			:::::I understand your concerns regarding the history page. But do people really compare between i.e. Service 2 and Service 3 history page? I understand between Service 2 and Service 2A (or the variant like Service 117 and Service 117M) but between two separate services? I also understand between the Service Generations like Service X (Gen 1), Service X (Gen 2), which for this I am still working out of it.

			:::::That is why I use direct link now (from the previous) so they can view directly to the history section.

			:::::[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy\|talk]]) 13:05, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:37, 7 March 2025

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	:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services ''by theme'', for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily ''by time'' (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article and then filter out the related changes. After all context is more important than content and a lot of chronological changes aren't that significant or relevant to what a user might be looking for. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.		:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services ''by theme'', for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily ''by time'' (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article and then filter out the related changes. After all context is more important than content and a lot of chronological changes aren't that significant or relevant to what a user might be looking for. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.

	:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.		:::If you do intend to create a bus change log over time that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.

	:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)

			::::I see that you are [[:Special:Contributions/Supernutorcrazy\|making major changes]]. Do retain the page edit histories by using move page if you please (especially considering that there may be other pages that [[:Special:WhatLinksHere\|link]] to the relevant history page), and also retain the transclusions on each bus page such that there can be a dedicated page that shows histories of existing services without needing the user to constantly skip around. Thanks; [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:37, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:28, 7 March 2025

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	:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services ''by theme'', for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily ''by time'' (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. After all context is more important than content and a lot of chronological changes aren't that significant. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.		:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services ''by theme'', for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily ''by time'' (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article and then filter out the related changes. After all context is more important than content and a lot of chronological changes aren't that significant or relevant to what a user might be looking for. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.

	:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.		:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.

	:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:25, 7 March 2025

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	:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services by theme, for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily by time (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.		:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services ''by theme'', for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily ''by time'' (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. After all context is more important than content and a lot of chronological changes aren't that significant. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.

	:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.		:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.

	:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:22, 7 March 2025

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	:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services by theme, for example old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily by time (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.		:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services by theme, for example by specific service number, or old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily by time (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.

	:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.		:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.

	:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7: /* History */

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			:::Well, the issue is that users who come here tend to want to search bus services by theme, for example old CSS services, or old Nightrider services, for example, and not necessarily by time (because they might not easily recall which year a certain service was changed or withdrawn), if you remove the articles that you mentioned, then users would have a hard time specifically finding those services and have to look at each and every year article. I'd say retain the current format, unless you have a better suggestion that can address the concern above then share it here.

			:::If you do intend to create a bus change log that is visible on every year article, then my suggestion would be to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion transclusions], put the relevant content in one article then call it in the year article's section. Or alternatively, put the changes for each year in templates with a collapsible header (prevent clutter), put the relevant one in each year's article, then have a separate dedicated article that calls all of these templates (or otherwise, an article for every decade) such that those that want to look at the entire chronology can do so at one go without having to jump across articles.

			:::And of course, please do put the necessary articles under an appropriate section (two equal signs). [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:20, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Supernutorcrazy at 04:08, 7 March 2025

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	:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)

			::@[[User talk:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] I not saying to log snapshot for every year, but like what you pointed out like [https://landtransportguru.net/singapore-public-bus-timeline-2020s/3/ their page], while keeping the old history page for a consolidate of defunct service (reduce pages), with the rest into the individual page (no transclusion).

			::The difference here in sgWiki yearly page provide a chronological order, and also can merged with other pages (for example, MRT/LRT, places of attractions etc.) because is sgWiki (singapore wiki) not bus wiki.

			::[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy\|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:05, 7 March 2025

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	:@[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]]: I think that would be too much work, because most services' routes don't actually change that much across years so if you want to take snapshots every year there will be a LOT of duplication for services. The way the pages log the changes to each service right now is fine, if only a bit too colourful for my liking (I liked the old text-only version better, with at most some bus op logos).		:@[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]]: I think that would be too much work, because most services' routes don't actually change that much across years so if you want to take snapshots every year there will be a LOT of duplication for services. The way the pages log the changes to each service right now is fine, if only a bit too colourful for my liking (I liked the old text-only version better, with at most some bus op logos).

	:If you intend to log route changes, the most that you could do would be to follow what landtransportguru has on [https://landtransportguru.net/singapore-public-bus-timeline-2020s/3/ their page], but as a standalone article; combining it into each year article would make it way too cluttered; be mindful that this ~~forum~~ doesn't only cater to buses or transport, after all. At most just put a link in the year article.		:If you intend to log route changes, the most that you could do would be to follow what landtransportguru has on [https://landtransportguru.net/singapore-public-bus-timeline-2020s/3/ their page], but as a standalone article; combining it into each year article would make it way too cluttered; be mindful that this wiki doesn't only cater to buses or transport, after all. At most just put a link in the year article.

	:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)

Dragomir7 at 04:05, 7 March 2025

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	:@[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]]: I think that would be too much work, because most services' routes don't actually change that much across years so if you want to take snapshots every year there will be a LOT of duplication for services. The way the pages log the changes to each service right now is fine, if only a bit too colourful for my liking (I liked the old text-only version better, with at most some bus op logos).		:@[[User:Supernutorcrazy\|Supernutorcrazy]]: I think that would be too much work, because most services' routes don't actually change that much across years so if you want to take snapshots every year there will be a LOT of duplication for services. The way the pages log the changes to each service right now is fine, if only a bit too colourful for my liking (I liked the old text-only version better, with at most some bus op logos).

	:If you intend to log route changes, the most that you could do would be to follow what landtransportguru has on [https://landtransportguru.net/singapore-public-bus-timeline-2020s/3/ their page], but as a standalone article; combining it into each year article would make it way too cluttered. At most just put a link in the year article.		:If you intend to log route changes, the most that you could do would be to follow what landtransportguru has on [https://landtransportguru.net/singapore-public-bus-timeline-2020s/3/ their page], but as a standalone article; combining it into each year article would make it way too cluttered; be mindful that this forum doesn't only cater to buses or transport, after all. At most just put a link in the year article.

	:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)		:Just my two cents. (Also you might want to consider signing your comments with four tildes "~".) [[User:Dragomir7\|Dragomir7]] ([[User talk:Dragomir7\|talk]]) 12:00, 7 March 2025 (+08)