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Dear editors,
Dear editors,


From the previous renaming exercise, we had delayed the renaming exercise for MAN ND323F and Alexander Dennis Enviro 500. However, there is a mistake (an omission of a bus model that would also required to be rename for standardisation). With the intake of 3-door MAN ND323F coming soon, this discussion will since reopen.
From the previous renaming exercise, we had delayed the renaming exercise for MAN ND323F and Alexander Dennis Enviro500. However, there is a mistake (an omission of a bus model that would also required to be rename for standardisation). With the intake of 3-door MAN ND323F coming soon, this discussion will since reopen.


The following models '''may''' be required for renaming:
The following models '''may''' be required for renaming:
*Alexander Dennis Enviro 500
*Alexander Dennis Enviro500
**Inclusion of door variants and/or euro emission
**Inclusion of door variants and/or euro emission
*MAN NL323F
*MAN NL323F
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*Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)
*Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)
**Split to include of euro emission (Euro I and Euro II)
**Split to include of euro emission (Euro I and Euro II)
*Scannia K230UB
*Scania K230UB
**Standardisation changes
**Standardisation changes


==Your Opinion Below==
==Your Opinion Below==
===Opinion 1===
===Opinion 1 (by Wekelwrady)===
My initial thoughts would be that I will go with
Good morning.
*Alexander Dennis Enviro 500
**Inclusion of door variants 
*MAN ND323F
**Inclusion of door variants
*Hispano Habit
**Inclusion of Euro emissions


However as for ND323F I was thinking of this:
First of all, I would like to present my viewpoint of the sorting of the ND323Fs.


(Euro V) (Batch 1): SMB5888H - SMB5904U
I was thinking of this arrangement:


(Euro V) (Batch 2): SG5740C - SG5799J
'''(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 1)''': SMB5888H - SMB5904U


(Euro V) (Batch 3): SG5800M - SG5920A
'''(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 2)''': SG5740C - SG5799J


(Batch 3-VI): SG2017C
'''(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 3)''': SG5800M - SG5920A


(Euro VI) (Batch 1): SG5921Y - SG5998B, SG6000Z - SG6171M
'''(Euro V) (3-door)''': SG5999Z


(Euro VI) (Batch 2): SG6172K onwards
'''(Batch 3-VI)''': SG2017C
 
'''(Euro VI) (2-door) (Batch 1)''': SG5921Y - SG5998B, SG6000Z - SG6171M
 
'''(Euro VI) (2-door) (Batch 2)''': SG6172K onwards


In this case, SG2017C will be tagged as a special batch, reallocated and isolated to a special page although it has the same bodywork as the Batch 3s but with Euro 6 emissions. Thus the combination of Batch '''3''' and Euro '''VI''' into '''3-VI'''.  
In this case, SG2017C will be tagged as a special batch, reallocated and isolated to a special page although it has the same bodywork as the Batch 3s but with Euro 6 emissions. Thus the combination of Batch '''3''' and Euro '''VI''' into '''3-VI'''.  
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If the admins and our fellow users agree to such an arrangement for SG2017C, I believe this can pave the way to '''Euro Emission standardisation across all bus model pages'''. I look forward to hear some feedback about this.  
If the admins and our fellow users agree to such an arrangement for SG2017C, I believe this can pave the way to '''Euro Emission standardisation across all bus model pages'''. I look forward to hear some feedback about this.  


As I reiterate my standpoint, I do not regard SG2017C as a demonstrator, but I feel it should get a separate page of its own with a unique batch name, with exemptions from the euro emission standardisation.


Thanks and regards
 
Wekelwrady
Secondly, for the other models,
 
'''MAN NL323F''' can gladly follow the following standardisation with the MAN ND323F which I suggested as the above sorting, in which for example, SG4002G is '''(Euro V) (3-door)'''.<br>
'''Enviro500''' can be labelled with solely Euro emissions since 2-door have Euro V emissions whereas 3-door do not have Euro V emissions.<br>
'''Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)''' can be labelled with Euro emissions too.<br>
'''Scania K230UB''' doesn't need any change in my opinion.<br>
 
Finally, as I reiterate my standpoint, I do not regard SG2017C as a demonstrator, but I feel it should get a separate page of its own with a unique batch name, with exemptions from the euro emission standardisation. Thank you.
 
===Opinion 2 (by SMB315C)===
1. Alexander Dennis Enviro500
* Upcoming 3-Door buses to be listed under new page titled '''Alexander Dennis Enviro500 (3-Door)'''.
* No change to other pages.
 
2. MAN NL323F
* No change.
 
3. MAN ND323F
* Upcoming 3-Door buses to be listed under existing '''MAN ND323F (3-Door)''' page, labelled as 'Production Batch'.
* No change to other pages.
 
4. Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)
* No change.
 
5. Scania K230UB
* No change.

Revision as of 23:13, 20 January 2021

Dear editors,

From the previous renaming exercise, we had delayed the renaming exercise for MAN ND323F and Alexander Dennis Enviro500. However, there is a mistake (an omission of a bus model that would also required to be rename for standardisation). With the intake of 3-door MAN ND323F coming soon, this discussion will since reopen.

The following models may be required for renaming:

  • Alexander Dennis Enviro500
    • Inclusion of door variants and/or euro emission
  • MAN NL323F
    • Standardisation changes
  • MAN ND323F
    • Inclusion of door variants and/or euro emission
  • Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)
    • Split to include of euro emission (Euro I and Euro II)
  • Scania K230UB
    • Standardisation changes

Your Opinion Below

Opinion 1 (by Wekelwrady)

Good morning.

First of all, I would like to present my viewpoint of the sorting of the ND323Fs.

I was thinking of this arrangement:

(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 1): SMB5888H - SMB5904U

(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 2): SG5740C - SG5799J

(Euro V) (2-door) (Batch 3): SG5800M - SG5920A

(Euro V) (3-door): SG5999Z

(Batch 3-VI): SG2017C

(Euro VI) (2-door) (Batch 1): SG5921Y - SG5998B, SG6000Z - SG6171M

(Euro VI) (2-door) (Batch 2): SG6172K onwards

In this case, SG2017C will be tagged as a special batch, reallocated and isolated to a special page although it has the same bodywork as the Batch 3s but with Euro 6 emissions. Thus the combination of Batch 3 and Euro VI into 3-VI.

If the admins and our fellow users agree to such an arrangement for SG2017C, I believe this can pave the way to Euro Emission standardisation across all bus model pages. I look forward to hear some feedback about this.


Secondly, for the other models,

MAN NL323F can gladly follow the following standardisation with the MAN ND323F which I suggested as the above sorting, in which for example, SG4002G is (Euro V) (3-door).
Enviro500 can be labelled with solely Euro emissions since 2-door have Euro V emissions whereas 3-door do not have Euro V emissions.
Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit) can be labelled with Euro emissions too.
Scania K230UB doesn't need any change in my opinion.

Finally, as I reiterate my standpoint, I do not regard SG2017C as a demonstrator, but I feel it should get a separate page of its own with a unique batch name, with exemptions from the euro emission standardisation. Thank you.

Opinion 2 (by SMB315C)

1. Alexander Dennis Enviro500

  • Upcoming 3-Door buses to be listed under new page titled Alexander Dennis Enviro500 (3-Door).
  • No change to other pages.

2. MAN NL323F

  • No change.

3. MAN ND323F

  • Upcoming 3-Door buses to be listed under existing MAN ND323F (3-Door) page, labelled as 'Production Batch'.
  • No change to other pages.

4. Mercedes-Benz O405G (Hispano Habit)

  • No change.

5. Scania K230UB

  • No change.