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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.


My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.


== Travel Time (East to West) ==
Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.
 
I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your '''OWN''' images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.
 
===Clarification!===
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.
 
But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!
 
Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise '''(TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages)'''. Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.
 
===User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work===
 
I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the '''MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE'''. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.
 
I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.
 
==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.
 
>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).
 
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
 
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?
 
== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,
Hi,


For Pasir Ris to Jurong East (in the event of EWL down), do you think the following route would be much faster than going to Bus -> Kaki Bukit -> Buona Vista -> Bus?
Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.
*3/88/109 to TPE (Bef Punggol Road) <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins I feel.
 
*858/969 from TPE (Bef Punggol Road) to Khatib MRT <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins
I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.
*NSL from Khatib all the way to Jurong East <-- This 1 just 40 mins.
 
Thanks and Regards
 
== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)
 
As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.
 
===Improvements to counting buses by op===
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)
 
== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==
 
42119 - 23:39<br>
42089 - 23:40   42071 - 23:37<br>
42149 - 23:41<br>
12099 - 23:43      12091 - 23:34<br>
12089 - 23:28   12081 - 23:34<br>
12079 - 23:45   17111 - 23:32<br>
17229 - 23:45<br>
 
== Re: Travel Time==
I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.
 
For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Col|xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Bus Fleet - <code><nowiki>{{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}</nowiki></code>
*Special Departure/SWT - <code><nowiki>{{Col/1|xxx}}</nowiki></code> ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
*First/Last Bus - <code><nowiki>{{Bus/FBLB}}</nowiki></code>
**<code><nowiki>wd=/fr=/sa=/su=</nowiki></code> → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
**<code><nowiki>fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu=</nowiki></code> → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**<code><nowiki>lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu=</nowiki></code> → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
**order : weekdays →  saturdays → sundays → fridays
 
[[User:Supernutorcrazy|Supernutorcrazy]] ([[User talk:Supernutorcrazy|talk]]) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)
 
==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,
 
I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to
 
*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]
 
For the effect.
 
Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.
 
Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.
 
But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.
 
Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier
 
I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.
 
As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.


Thanks & Regards
As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier


===RE: 81===
EWL:
According to Transitlink: Svc 81 from Pasir Ris to Kovan is around 40 mins, from my rail experience, Kovan to Buona Vista is around 35 mins (25 mins CCL, 5 mins transfer, 5 mins NEL). Based on this 2 the time taken should already far exceed the long north detour path. I think this was partial cause we make full use of the TPE "Express" trunk routes. Do correct me wrong if the bus trip timing is wrong. Cause I don't really take those services.
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport


On the side note, should we include the estimated travel time so it would be easier to benchmark in the future?
NEL:
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast


===Re: Exits ===
After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.
Good idea. I did for the [[Alternative Travel Method/Pasir Ris]] for between Expo & Changi Airport. See if it looks goods?


For travel time, let round it to the nearer 5 mins, cause some route may deviate from each other between 1-2 mins?, so a 5 mins deviation should be ok. Then if other alternative come we can help to benchmark those if it offers quick alternative. Maybe we need to include disclaimer that is an estimate and it may varies.
== Re: Images with destinations has to be shown ==


Secondly, for rail transfer between lines is usually 5 mins, even for Jurong East, City Hall and Raffles Place thanks to the mismatch of trains arriving/departing. For Bus I feel a waiting time of 10 mins should be average? so we can include those in disclaimer.
Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.


I now developing the new station layout format for more information and clarity, feel more can be included. Maybe escalator and lift according to the carriage diagram like those in Japan/Korea? Let me know your take.
Thanks


===Re: MRT Transfer Time===
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 27 February 2025, 23:16
I had transfer quite a lots of time between the various line at Jurong East, Caldecott, Bishan, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista, City Hall/Raffles Place, Dhoby Ghaut, Newton during peak hours/off-peaks and 5 minutes transfer time are included in the walking/waiting time in average.


Trains between different lines are typically sync according to walking time. So after a walk transfer, 1 would usually do not need to wait, or at most 2 minutes between transfer of lines. This is exception to NS-EW transfer. The NS-EW transfer at Jurong East/City Hall/Raffles Place are by luck and direction (most of the time are just missed a train or 1 minutes wait), but usually trains arrived at 5 minutes, with peak hours may need to miss a train at times (so equal to 5 minutes) due to overcrowding.
== Reply ==


For EW-CG transfer at Tanah Merah, 5 minutes are enough as trains arrive at every 8 minutes, stop at platform for 3 minutes which covered most cases. So rail transfer is roughly 5 minutes. I not too sure about buses, but most of the time between transferring of bus can be done in 10 minutes after factoring in waiting time, rarely exceeding 10 minutes in both peaks and off-peak based on my experience.
Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.  


==Travelling between Maxwell & Outram Park==
Thanks
Hi, would walking be faster than bus between this 2 pair. Distance wise should be around 300-500m, and roughly map into 5 mins walk?


===Re: Road Name===
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 7 March 2025, 06:54
Good idea to include the road name to help, furthermore, we can also include the exit number/letters to help also. Yes, I do agree that Maxwell is not really connected by bus due to the 1 direction road network so I also scratching my head on how the rail briging service will works also.

Latest revision as of 22:04, 10 March 2025

Just discuss below.

User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images[edit]

I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a comparative platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your OWN images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

Clarification![edit]

My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.

But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!

Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise (TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages). Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.

User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work[edit]

I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.

I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Alternate Travel Options[edit]

Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

Re: Disruption dropdown box idea[edit]

Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

Improvements to counting buses by op[edit]

Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)

Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings[edit]

42119 - 23:39
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37
42149 - 23:41
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32
17229 - 23:45

Re: Travel Time[edit]

I had updated the new travel time to reflect Hume, Punggol Coast and Teck Lee Station.

For the new upgrade template on bus service page, yes is correct. There isn't any much changes to the new templates.

  • Bus Fleet - {{Col|xxx}}
  • Bus Fleet - {{Fleet|fleet=xxx|model=xxx}}
  • Special Departure/SWT - {{Col/1|xxx}} ← This was used because it didn't use the same format due to vertical alignment issue
  • First/Last Bus - {{Bus/FBLB}}
    • wd=/fr=/sa=/su= → stands for no weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns
    • fwd=/ffr=/fsa=/fsu= → first bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
    • lwd=/lfr=/lsa=/lsu= → last bus column for weekday/friday/saturday/sunday columns (used for skipping)
    • order : weekdays → saturdays → sundays → fridays

Supernutorcrazy (talk) 08:02, 8 March 2025 (+08)

Re: Template standardisation[edit]

Hi,

I had trial on Template:BS65009 regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

For the effect.

Key notes:

  • {{BS65009}} - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
  • {{BS65009|landmark=}} - Shows bus stop only
  • {{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}} - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:

  • Jurong East
  • Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
  • Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
  • Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
  • Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
  • Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
  • Bishan
  • Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
  • Newton
  • Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
  • City Hall / Raffles Place
  • Marina Bay
  • Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:

  • Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
  • Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
  • Woodlands - Yishun
  • Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
  • Ang Mo Kio - Newton
  • Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:

  • Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
  • Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
  • Paya Lebar - Outram Park
  • Outram Park - Buona Vista
  • Buona Vista - Jurong East
  • Jurong East - Boon Lay
  • Boon Lay - Joo Koon
  • Joo Koon - Tuas Link
  • Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:

  • HarbourFront - Serangoon
  • Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

Re: Images with destinations has to be shown[edit]

Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.

Thanks

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 27 February 2025, 23:16

Reply[edit]

Hi Wekelwrady, sorry for the delay, I am going to work on 10x services now.

Thanks

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 7 March 2025, 06:54