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==Ideas==
==Ideas==
*Expressway pages to have an illustration of the expressway with one straight line, indicating the exits and adding a simple compass.
*Create a consolidated Alternative Travel Method main page where all the alternative templates can be viewable in one click.
*Create a consolidated Alternative Travel Method main page where all the alternative templates can be viewable in one click.


*Brainstorm ideas for walking distances between stations.
*Brainstorm ideas for walking distances between stations.


*North South Line Complete
*Rework on guidelines for passengers on Alternative Travel ie. add point on "Excludes waiting time"


*North East Line Complete
==Completion==


*Thomson East Coast Line Complete
====Svcs with completed b/s upgrades and new FBLB template====
77, 97/e, 147, 960e


*Circle Line Complete
====List of Svcs with completed b/s upgrades but without new FBLB template====
19, 22, 23, 24, 25, 67, 70/M, 76, 140, 160, 170/X, 172, 180, 190, 262, 291, 293, 300, 301, 302, 307, 405, 920, 922, 945, 960, 972/M, 975, 976, 979, 983/M, 985, 991


==Pinned notes==
====Revamp of Pages====
*To determine travelling from Tiong Bahru by TEL3->DTL2->180 & BPLRT/974


*Update CCL alternative travel of 91 with limited ops warning
Phase 1: 2, 12/e, 54, 190 <br>
Phase 2: <br>
Phase 3: <br>


*Make all advisories of alternate operating hours collapsible eg. 107/M
====Express====
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
!colspan=10| Express Services
|-
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|10e|s=10e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|12e|s=12e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|14e|s=14e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|30e|s=30e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|43e|s=43e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|89e|s=89e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|97e|s=97e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|174e|s=174e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|188e|s=188e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|196e|s=196e}}</big>'''
|-
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|502|s=502}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|502A|s=502A}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|518|s=518}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|518A|s=518A}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|850E|s=850E}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|854e|s=854e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|951E|s=951E}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|960e|s=960e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|963e|s=963e}}</big>'''
|'''<big>{{Bus/T|982E|s=982E}}</big>'''
|-
|}
 
===Maps===


*Remember to update walking/DTL for Marina Bay to Bayfront
*Priority Renewal of local directories for:


*contribute to the travel time templates and exit templates where possible
- Aljunied (reflect Opp MRT stop) <br>
- Bras Basah <br>
- Commonwealth <br>
- Dhoby Ghaut <br>
- Khatib (with additional bus stops) <br>
- Lavender (with additional bus stop Crawford Bridge) <br>
- Simei <br>
- Tanah Merah <br>
- Tanjong Pagar <br>
- Tuas Crescent (with better wayfinding to other bus stops) <br>
- Tuas West Road <br>
- Yew Tee <br>


* - Unless the only services that served between 2 MRT/LRT station operates on selected timing, than that should only be included, with remarks on the operating hours.
SBST Spec Stations


*strongly encourage to list those route without Express/Premium Service as a FIRST option, followed by those full-day Express/Premium Service which offer an even faster travel alternative than the first option.
- Beauty World (with detailed info and additional bus stop Aft Upper Bukit Timah) <br>
- Bedok North (with shortcuts) <br>
- Bedok Reservoir (with additional bus stops for Clearwater Condo) <br>
- Bencoolen (with additional bus stops for YMCA and SOTA) <br>
- Bendemeer (with better wayfinding to bus stops along Lavender Street) <br>
- Boon Keng <br>
- Clarke Quay (with additional bus stop at Boat Quay) <br>
- Farrer Park (with additional bus stops for Exit D) <br>
- Fort Canning (with additional bus stops for UQ Sq) <br>
- Geylang Bahru  (with additional bus stop at Kallang Swimming Complex) <br>
- Hougang (with additional bus stops BLK 522 and Int area) <br>
- Jalan Besar & Rochor (as one map) <br>
- Kovan (add Kovan Hub) <br>
- Little India (with additional bus stop at Tekka Ctr) <br>
- Potong Pasir <br>
- Telok Ayer (with walking distance) <br>
- Ubi <br>
- Upper Changi  (with additional bus stops and walking distance) <br>


* limit the duration of walk transfer, as we know Singapore is too hot and humid for walking long hours, to about 5 mins walk per transfer. As a rough gauge, the distance covered by 5 mins is roughly 400m. Do also consider the route taken should be barrier-free (for the disabled users)
FUTURE MAPS


==Drafts==
- Buangkok (future ITH) <br>
- City Hall (awaiting station staff to complete updates) <br>
- Kent Ridge (scan later) <br>
- Pasir Ris (future ITH) <br>
- Sembawang (scan later) <br>
- Sengkang (scan later) <br>
- Tampines East (with clear Res) <br>
- Tampines West (with clear Res) <br>
- Woodleigh (future ITH) <br>


Sample draft template
*To upgrade bus stop templates


{| class="wikitable sortable"
*To upgrade station exit numbers/alphabets
|-
!rowspan=2|Going To!!class=unsortable|Route(s)
|-
|}


==Phase TEL3 Alternative Travel Methods==
==Pinned notes==
All NSL/TEL stations excluding Toa Payoh and Novena have been updated after evaluation.
*To make amendments on Tanah Merah: Upper Changi->12/38


==Phase TWE Alternative Travel Methods==
*Tuas Cres walking (excluding 974 to Joo Koon Int): amend to 193 at ROCKWOOL (BS25341)
*Investigate DT1/BP6->BP1->974 vs 180->192/193
*Chinese Garden
*Lakeside/Boon Lay/Pioneer
*Joo Koon
*Gul Circle/Tuas Crescent/Tuas West Rd
*Tuas Link


==Phase DTL2 w/ TEL3 Alternative Travel Methods==
*Tiong Bahru recommend FBB for West MRT stops
*Tan Kah Kee/Sixth Ave/King Albert Park
*Beauty World
*Hillview
*Cashew
*Bukit Panjang


*Make all advisories of alternate operating hours collapsible eg. 107/M


==Archives==
*Remember to update walking/DTL for Marina Bay to Bayfront
===CBD to Marsiling, Bus or MRT (Pin for reference, do not remove)===
Hi, after comptempting your reasoning for Marsiling and done some additional research this is what I had observed:
* Travelling time for 190/972 from CBD to Bukit Panjang is approx 40 mins.
* Travelling time for 187/963/966 from Bukit Panjang to Marsiling is approx 25 mins.
* Travelling time for DTL/CCL/TEL from Newton to Woodlands is approx 40 mins.
* Travelling time for 187/856/925/925M/960/961/961M/963/966 from Woodlands to Marsiling is approx 10 mins.
* Travelling time for 972M from Dhoby Ghaut to Newton is approx 10 mins.


Therefore, the conclusion that I could infer is:
* 80m walking = 1 min
* Newton: MRT to Woodlands, transfer by bus is much faster (Time saving of 15 mins).
* Orchard - Dhoby Ghaut: If there is direct bus to Bukit Panjang which heavily uses BKE/PIE, then the travelling time is on par with MRT (currently).
** The travelling time to Newton actually offset the time saving of 15 mins in the first case.


Some remarks that I noticed:
* - Unless the only services that served between 2 MRT/LRT station operates on selected timing, than that should only be included, with remarks on the operating hours.
* 960 to Bukit Panjang MRT is much slower than DTL, as it winds in Bukit Panjang (From BKE, go to Pending, Petir then Bukit Panjang, following the LRT tracks), where the most direct route is taken by 187, which deviate from the LRT tracks.


===Add on:===
*strongly encourage to list those route without Express/Premium Service as a FIRST option, followed by those full-day Express/Premium Service which offer an even faster travel alternative than the first option.
Nowadays, bus crawls on expressway. For example, in the past, I can take 858 from Khatib and reach Changi T3 within 30 mins, but nowadays its usually 45 mins, despite no traffic. I also remember there once time I regret taking 960e from Rochor to Woodlands as it took approx 1 hour (thanks to bus crawling on highway to keep to schedule). Usually, when I took 187/963/966 from Blk 270 to Woodlands, it took about 30-35 mins. So if work out to be 20-25 mins to Marsiling. I believed the speed reduction is due to the BCM on-time tracking bah. Occasionally, I manage to take trip which had what you mention the time period (driver's factor play a role). Sadly, I missed those day where buses literally speed down the expressway...


Reply: Yes, really a pity......
* limit the duration of walk transfer, as we know Singapore is too hot and humid for walking long hours, to about 5 mins walk per transfer. As a rough gauge, the distance covered by 5 mins is roughly 400m. Do also consider the route taken should be barrier-free (for the disabled users)


===TEL3/Diversions affecting alternative travel methods===
==Re:==
Hi,
Hi,


Yes, stations like Bayfront, Orchard etc keep on having road diversion, especially on large scale, but I feel that this can be made on the sidenote first. It seems that past breakdowns and disruptions don't really occur (or like to occur) when major events happen (never heard of 1 incident before). But as Morphy's Law applies, it may happen sooner also. Also notice there a trend in breakdown, with weekdays having the most occurence, and once in a blue moon is Saturday, Sunday and Public Holidays.
For the travelling time for Punggol Coast, Teck Lee, and Hume, I will update it once Hume station was opened next month, rather than bit by bit. It's on my pipeline and I also do keep track of the change in train frequencies. CGL had an updated arrangement which works like this:
* Former: Train Departs from Changi Airport & Tanah Merah simultaneously.
* Current: Train stops only for 1-2 minutes for turnaround at Tanah Merah, while having a 4-8 minutes for turnaround at Changi Airport. This make waiting time/transfer to have a higher penalty time at Tanah Merah (Imagine if you miss a train by it just departing = 12 minutes, which is common now, while in the past (perceived as the actual frequency didn't change) this is reduced due to the layover time)


As for TEL3, you may feel free to include in first. I am in the midst of analysing the bus bridging stops and the distance between stations. In my opinion, the breakdown could be relatively simple.
Furthermore, SBS Transit recently do start to reduce of frequency, to match with the current SMRT's frequency.


* The breakdown will follow like the rest of the line
Regarding the bus liveries, Refer to this [[BYD BC12A04]], the header colours had been change to feature a lighter shade of green, to help to differentiate for easier reference. :) The purpose of having it combined is for easier livery identification rather than having to scroll to the bottom.
* TE1 to TE10 = 1 section
* TE11 to TE20 = 1 section
* TE21 to TE22 = 1 section
** As of now we keep TEL1+TEL2 && TEL3 as 2 sections because TE10 and TE21 not in operation. So TE22 alone not justify for 1 new section I feel.


Noted and thanks!
I had heard rumours (not too sure if true or false), that all buses leased to LTA will not have Lush Green Livery anymore due to cost-cutting. If this is true, that explain why most buses in Yishun-Sembawang package still in original livery for 3-4 years since 2021. With this, we can expect a gradual phrase out in 2035 for liveries since by then all Euro V bus will be deregistered by then.

Latest revision as of 15:51, 12 March 2025

Hi, this is Wekelwrady!

All discussions to be in the talk page.

Thank you!

Ideas[edit]

  • Create a consolidated Alternative Travel Method main page where all the alternative templates can be viewable in one click.
  • Brainstorm ideas for walking distances between stations.
  • Rework on guidelines for passengers on Alternative Travel ie. add point on "Excludes waiting time"

Completion[edit]

Svcs with completed b/s upgrades and new FBLB template[edit]

77, 97/e, 147, 960e

List of Svcs with completed b/s upgrades but without new FBLB template[edit]

19, 22, 23, 24, 25, 67, 70/M, 76, 140, 160, 170/X, 172, 180, 190, 262, 291, 293, 300, 301, 302, 307, 405, 920, 922, 945, 960, 972/M, 975, 976, 979, 983/M, 985, 991

Revamp of Pages[edit]

Phase 1: 2, 12/e, 54, 190
Phase 2:
Phase 3:

Express[edit]

Express Services
10e 12e 14e 30e 43e 89e 97e 174e 188e 196e
502 502A 518 518A 850E 854e 951E 960e 963e 982E

Maps[edit]

  • Priority Renewal of local directories for:

- Aljunied (reflect Opp MRT stop)
- Bras Basah
- Commonwealth
- Dhoby Ghaut
- Khatib (with additional bus stops)
- Lavender (with additional bus stop Crawford Bridge)
- Simei
- Tanah Merah
- Tanjong Pagar
- Tuas Crescent (with better wayfinding to other bus stops)
- Tuas West Road
- Yew Tee

SBST Spec Stations

- Beauty World (with detailed info and additional bus stop Aft Upper Bukit Timah)
- Bedok North (with shortcuts)
- Bedok Reservoir (with additional bus stops for Clearwater Condo)
- Bencoolen (with additional bus stops for YMCA and SOTA)
- Bendemeer (with better wayfinding to bus stops along Lavender Street)
- Boon Keng
- Clarke Quay (with additional bus stop at Boat Quay)
- Farrer Park (with additional bus stops for Exit D)
- Fort Canning (with additional bus stops for UQ Sq)
- Geylang Bahru (with additional bus stop at Kallang Swimming Complex)
- Hougang (with additional bus stops BLK 522 and Int area)
- Jalan Besar & Rochor (as one map)
- Kovan (add Kovan Hub)
- Little India (with additional bus stop at Tekka Ctr)
- Potong Pasir
- Telok Ayer (with walking distance)
- Ubi
- Upper Changi (with additional bus stops and walking distance)

FUTURE MAPS

- Buangkok (future ITH)
- City Hall (awaiting station staff to complete updates)
- Kent Ridge (scan later)
- Pasir Ris (future ITH)
- Sembawang (scan later)
- Sengkang (scan later)
- Tampines East (with clear Res)
- Tampines West (with clear Res)
- Woodleigh (future ITH)

  • To upgrade bus stop templates
  • To upgrade station exit numbers/alphabets

Pinned notes[edit]

  • To make amendments on Tanah Merah: Upper Changi->12/38
  • Tuas Cres walking (excluding 974 to Joo Koon Int): amend to 193 at ROCKWOOL (BS25341)
  • Tiong Bahru recommend FBB for West MRT stops
  • Make all advisories of alternate operating hours collapsible eg. 107/M
  • Remember to update walking/DTL for Marina Bay to Bayfront
  • 80m walking = 1 min
  • - Unless the only services that served between 2 MRT/LRT station operates on selected timing, than that should only be included, with remarks on the operating hours.
  • strongly encourage to list those route without Express/Premium Service as a FIRST option, followed by those full-day Express/Premium Service which offer an even faster travel alternative than the first option.
  • limit the duration of walk transfer, as we know Singapore is too hot and humid for walking long hours, to about 5 mins walk per transfer. As a rough gauge, the distance covered by 5 mins is roughly 400m. Do also consider the route taken should be barrier-free (for the disabled users)

Re:[edit]

Hi,

For the travelling time for Punggol Coast, Teck Lee, and Hume, I will update it once Hume station was opened next month, rather than bit by bit. It's on my pipeline and I also do keep track of the change in train frequencies. CGL had an updated arrangement which works like this:

  • Former: Train Departs from Changi Airport & Tanah Merah simultaneously.
  • Current: Train stops only for 1-2 minutes for turnaround at Tanah Merah, while having a 4-8 minutes for turnaround at Changi Airport. This make waiting time/transfer to have a higher penalty time at Tanah Merah (Imagine if you miss a train by it just departing = 12 minutes, which is common now, while in the past (perceived as the actual frequency didn't change) this is reduced due to the layover time)

Furthermore, SBS Transit recently do start to reduce of frequency, to match with the current SMRT's frequency.

Regarding the bus liveries, Refer to this BYD BC12A04, the header colours had been change to feature a lighter shade of green, to help to differentiate for easier reference. :) The purpose of having it combined is for easier livery identification rather than having to scroll to the bottom.

I had heard rumours (not too sure if true or false), that all buses leased to LTA will not have Lush Green Livery anymore due to cost-cutting. If this is true, that explain why most buses in Yishun-Sembawang package still in original livery for 3-4 years since 2021. With this, we can expect a gradual phrase out in 2035 for liveries since by then all Euro V bus will be deregistered by then.

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