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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.


My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.
Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.
I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your own images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.
===Hiatus: What about 513 518/A 857?===
I am already returning to work and will pause from any editing.
However, if you wish to edit, please use the following pictures below!!!!! I have donated quite an amount and hope they can be put into use without worrying about copyright infringements.<br>
File:SBS7592M_513.jpg<br>
File:SG1720L_518.jpg<br>
File:SG1057T_518A.jpg<br>
File:SG6382X 857.jpg<br>
 
==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.
>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?
== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,
Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.
I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.
Thanks and Regards
== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)
As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.
== Removal of Bus Interchange Info On Town Pages ==


== Travel Time (East to West) ==
Hi,
Hi,


For Pasir Ris to Jurong East (in the event of EWL down), do you think the following route would be much faster than going to Bus -> Kaki Bukit -> Buona Vista -> Bus?
Noticed that you reverted my edit on the [[Bishan]] town page and left a comment in the edit summary. I am currently helping with creating new bus interchange pages for all interchanges. Hence, since the same info is being given on those pages, I will accept your latter suggestion and remove all bus info from the town pages. Thanks.
*3/88/109 to TPE (Bef Punggol Road) <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins I feel.
 
*858/969 from TPE (Bef Punggol Road) to Khatib MRT <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins
Regards,
*NSL from Khatib all the way to Jurong East <-- This 1 just 40 mins.
Svc135bsoe


Thanks & Regards
== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==


===RE: 81===
42119 - 23:39<br>
According to Transitlink: Svc 81 from Pasir Ris to Kovan is around 40 mins, from my rail experience, Kovan to Buona Vista is around 35 mins (25 mins CCL, 5 mins transfer, 5 mins NEL). Based on this 2 the time taken should already far exceed the long north detour path. I think this was partial cause we make full use of the TPE "Express" trunk routes. Do correct me wrong if the bus trip timing is wrong. Cause I don't really take those services.
42089 - 23:40   42071 - 23:37<br>
42149 - 23:41<br>
12099 - 23:43      12091 - 23:34<br>
12089 - 23:28   12081 - 23:34<br>
12079 - 23:45   17111 - 23:32<br>
17229 - 23:45<br>


On the side note, should we include the estimated travel time so it would be easier to benchmark in the future?
== Re: Travel Time==
I am planning to overhaul it, after considering how disruption take place.


===Re: Exits ===
First of all, if a line is down, most of the time is section based, and this means, we can use a common template to syncronised the route based on the sector.
Good idea. I did for the [[Alternative Travel Method/Pasir Ris]] for between Expo & Changi Airport. See if it looks goods?


For travel time, let round it to the nearer 5 mins, cause some route may deviate from each other between 1-2 mins?, so a 5 mins deviation should be ok. Then if other alternative come we can help to benchmark those if it offers quick alternative. Maybe we need to include disclaimer that is an estimate and it may varies.
Regarding if there is a need for example Pasir Ris to Jurong East etc. I think should such breakdown incident happen FBB is a better option rather than using alternative bus service.


Secondly, for rail transfer between lines is usually 5 mins, even for Jurong East, City Hall and Raffles Place thanks to the mismatch of trains arriving/departing. For Bus I feel a waiting time of 10 mins should be average? so we can include those in disclaimer.
As for sectors, I havent analyse it.


I now developing the new station layout format for more information and clarity, feel more can be included. Maybe escalator and lift according to the carriage diagram like those in Japan/Korea? Let me know your take.
With the implementation of Bus Service Pages, this make it easier as viewer can click on the bus service to see the other station it served and no need for a full list. :)


===Re: MRT Transfer Time===
I had transfer quite a lots of time between the various line at Jurong East, Caldecott, Bishan, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista, City Hall/Raffles Place, Dhoby Ghaut, Newton during peak hours/off-peaks and 5 minutes transfer time are included in the walking/waiting time in average.


Trains between different lines are typically sync according to walking time. So after a walk transfer, 1 would usually do not need to wait, or at most 2 minutes between transfer of lines. This is exception to NS-EW transfer. The NS-EW transfer at Jurong East/City Hall/Raffles Place are by luck and direction (most of the time are just missed a train or 1 minutes wait), but usually trains arrived at 5 minutes, with peak hours may need to miss a train at times (so equal to 5 minutes) due to overcrowding.
===Re:===
Yes, agree and thanks for the email to LTA regarding first/last bus timing. In fact, I also had to do it for MRT. The first southbound train at Yishun is not even Marina South Pier train (Marina Bay). I havent had time to compile for other lines if there is such inaccuracies because of work commitments and bus pages overhual to bring sgWiki to its best for public. but I faced backlashed on social media for my overhaul. ㅜㅜ.


For EW-CG transfer at Tanah Merah, 5 minutes are enough as trains arrive at every 8 minutes, stop at platform for 3 minutes which covered most cases. So rail transfer is roughly 5 minutes. I not too sure about buses, but most of the time between transferring of bus can be done in 10 minutes after factoring in waiting time, rarely exceeding 10 minutes in both peaks and off-peak based on my experience.
Moving forwards, I also do not have much time left, as you can see I starting to take a step back (the last week), but nevertheless will continue to do what I can as and when.


===Re: Transfer Time===
==Re: Template standardisation==
Looks good, but the 3rd pointer on those pages doesn't hold any meaning if we are not going to include the estimated travel time. I'm more concerned about the transfer time, as how can 1 route alternative is better than the other in terms of time when trains break down?
Hi,


As for the dispersion of the crowd, I am not that afraid as the crowd itself will be dispersed based on their end destination. Furthermore, commuters may reach different destinations and hence it is an auto dispersion without the need to cater to many routes. There is always a Rail Bridging Service available when train breakdown, abit - those never always be ready when we need it. hahaha. But it will come surely.
I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to


I think the format being tucked inside is good, maybe collapsible, as this is an odd chance it will happen and it's more of a remark.
*[[Punggol station]]
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]


Reply: Noted suggestions.
For the effect.


==Re: Walking ==
Key notes:
It looks ok. however, I had a concern about walking between BayFront and Marina Bay. Even though it look short and near, however, I noticed that BayFront MRT is located nearer to the North side of MBS (Floating Platform/NS Square that area) instead of the South side of MBS. This means that we need to factor in the additional walking distance of 100 to 200m.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.


I had modified/remove based on the travel time & waiting time. I compiled it into [[User:Supernutorcrazy/Travel Time]] for certain legs. Some assumptions that I made:
Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.
* MRT = Waiting Time = 5 mins, transfer time neglectable as it part of waiting time due to train arriving and departing is close to sync after transfer for all lines.
* Feeder Service = 10 mins waiting time in average.
* Trunk Service = 15 mins waiting time in average.
* Train Travel Time = Based on the fastest travel time of each leg according to First/Last Train.
* Bus Travel Time = From Transitlink website, rounded to the nearest 5 minutes.


I had made some changes to Outram Park and Woodlands North station, see if this is ok. Thanks.
But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.


===Re: Walking/Outram Park===
Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
Noted for your 81 take. I do agree the Kovan part, in fact I was looking at Sengkang/Punggol to TPE transfer if it is faster or not too. As Pasir Ris is big, those staying Elias/Pasir Ris West would more likely use the TPE/KPE bus to Pasir Ris as it would reach their home first. For those staying in Loyang/Pasir Ris East would more likely use the Loyang Ave to Pasir Ris as it would reach their home first.
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier


But in this case, we are looking at the generic flow from Station to Station and not Station to Home. Also agree that peak hour travel time vs off peak is slightly different, but I noticed a trend in bus service that ply stretches on expressway to follow the speed in peak hour during off peak, resulting in crawling bus service on highway during off-peak. Of course, the deviation for peak and off-peak is kept to the minimum, so it would only be faster a bit.
I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.


Hmmm. Agree the part on walking between BayFront and Marina Bay, I personally had walk it before everytime I watch fireworks at MBS. It took 10 minutes to walk even for me as a fast walker. For bus, because the road network and the bus service, it the same as Outram Park/Maxwell problem. I was looking at Marina Bay walk to Downtown then take DTL to BayFront as an alternative. Waiting and travelling time for DTL should be comparable to the additional walking time if we walk directly to BayFront. But of course, we can keep both option, 1 for the less mobility and 1 for the general public.
As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.


==Travelling between Maxwell & Outram Park==
As for sector, NSL:
Hi, would walking be faster than bus between this 2 pair. Distance wise should be around 300-500m, and roughly map into 5 mins walk?
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier


===Re: Road Name===
EWL:
Good idea to include the road name to help, furthermore, we can also include the exit number/letters to help also. Yes, I do agree that Maxwell is not really connected by bus due to the 1 direction road network so I also scratching my head on how the rail briging service will works also.
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport


===Re: Deletion===
NEL:
Hi, I can only do full page deletion, and not history deletion. Do let me know if you want me to delete your user page. Thanks.
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast


Reply: Alright thanks for the info, appreciate it!
After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

Latest revision as of 07:51, 12 February 2025

Just discuss below.

User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images[edit]

I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a comparative platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your own images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

Hiatus: What about 513 518/A 857?[edit]

I am already returning to work and will pause from any editing.

However, if you wish to edit, please use the following pictures below!!!!! I have donated quite an amount and hope they can be put into use without worrying about copyright infringements.
File:SBS7592M_513.jpg
File:SG1720L_518.jpg
File:SG1057T_518A.jpg
File:SG6382X 857.jpg
 

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Alternate Travel Options[edit]

Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

Re: Disruption dropdown box idea[edit]

Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

Removal of Bus Interchange Info On Town Pages[edit]

Hi,

Noticed that you reverted my edit on the Bishan town page and left a comment in the edit summary. I am currently helping with creating new bus interchange pages for all interchanges. Hence, since the same info is being given on those pages, I will accept your latter suggestion and remove all bus info from the town pages. Thanks.

Regards, Svc135bsoe

Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings[edit]

42119 - 23:39
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37
42149 - 23:41
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32
17229 - 23:45

Re: Travel Time[edit]

I am planning to overhaul it, after considering how disruption take place.

First of all, if a line is down, most of the time is section based, and this means, we can use a common template to syncronised the route based on the sector.

Regarding if there is a need for example Pasir Ris to Jurong East etc. I think should such breakdown incident happen FBB is a better option rather than using alternative bus service.

As for sectors, I havent analyse it.

With the implementation of Bus Service Pages, this make it easier as viewer can click on the bus service to see the other station it served and no need for a full list. :)


Re:[edit]

Yes, agree and thanks for the email to LTA regarding first/last bus timing. In fact, I also had to do it for MRT. The first southbound train at Yishun is not even Marina South Pier train (Marina Bay). I havent had time to compile for other lines if there is such inaccuracies because of work commitments and bus pages overhual to bring sgWiki to its best for public. but I faced backlashed on social media for my overhaul. ㅜㅜ.

Moving forwards, I also do not have much time left, as you can see I starting to take a step back (the last week), but nevertheless will continue to do what I can as and when.

Re: Template standardisation[edit]

Hi,

I had trial on Template:BS65009 regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

For the effect.

Key notes:

  • {{BS65009}} - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
  • {{BS65009|landmark=}} - Shows bus stop only
  • {{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}} - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:

  • Jurong East
  • Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
  • Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
  • Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
  • Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
  • Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
  • Bishan
  • Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
  • Newton
  • Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
  • City Hall / Raffles Place
  • Marina Bay
  • Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:

  • Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
  • Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
  • Woodlands - Yishun
  • Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
  • Ang Mo Kio - Newton
  • Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:

  • Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
  • Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
  • Paya Lebar - Outram Park
  • Outram Park - Buona Vista
  • Buona Vista - Jurong East
  • Jurong East - Boon Lay
  • Boon Lay - Joo Koon
  • Joo Koon - Tuas Link
  • Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:

  • HarbourFront - Serangoon
  • Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

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