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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


===User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images===
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.


== Sengkang / Punggol LRT Route Map, Plaform Layout ==
My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.
Hi,
 
Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a '''comparative''' platform.
 
I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your own images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.
 
===Hiatus: What about 513 518/A 857?===
I am already returning to work and will pause from any editing.
 
However, if you wish to edit, please use the following pictures below!!!!! I have donated quite an amount and hope they can be put into use without worrying about copyright infringements.<br>
File:SBS7592M_513.jpg<br>
File:SG1720L_518.jpg<br>
File:SG1057T_518A.jpg<br>
File:SG6382X 857.jpg<br>
 
 
==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.


I think for the loop service for Sengkang and Punggol I think we follow the geological map in Google Map / LTA Station map?
>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).


So for
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
* Sengkang
** SW4 - SW1 | STC | SE1 - SE3<br>SW5 - SW8 |    | SE5 - SE4
* Punggol
** PW4 - PW1 | PTC | PE7 - PE4<br>PW5 - PW7 |    | PE1 - PE3


I shift the Layout Template - UR to UL (This one my naming wrong), then UR2 to UR.
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?


As for the Platform Layout, I trial it at Admiralty Station. Do take a look and let me know what need to improve. I not too sure if the escalator/stairs/lift should change to pictograms, this include the Faregates, Ticketing Machine and the Passenger Service Control.
== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
Hi,


As for the Exit, I not to sure if we do a simplified drawing or use screenshot of a Map, instead of the table.
Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.


Do let me know if you have any suggestion.
I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.


=== Re: ===
Thanks and Regards
For the subsequent station on SKLRT & PGLRT, there is 2 takes.
* Treat it as a normal route map, reached until Sengkang/Punggol as a single line and that's it.
* Follow the same as Sengkang/Punggol, but only keep the East/West Loop segment


I think this would also affect the layout for those stations on the BPLRT, especially for the BP7 - BP13 ones as they are in a loop.
== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)


Noted on your Platform Layout takes. I will think of how I can improve it.
As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.


Ideally if we can implement something like this [https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/20221208_123522-jpg.4264906/] would be better as it would fit in the concourse exit directory easily.
== Removal of Bus Interchange Info On Town Pages ==


As for Alternate Travel Method for Locality Map, it would be a good idea, but there is lack of consistency between the various MRT operators, and also LRT stations. Furthermore, some online map services are not even accurate and differ from 1 another, with no clear indication of Bus Stop Numbers on their maps. Will consider/ponders more about it or if you had an alternative do let me know and let see how we can implement it out.
Hi,


Thanks & Regards
Noticed that you reverted my edit on the [[Bishan]] town page and left a comment in the edit summary. I am currently helping with creating new bus interchange pages for all interchanges. Hence, since the same info is being given on those pages, I will accept your latter suggestion and remove all bus info from the town pages. Thanks.


Supernutorcrazy
Regards,
Svc135bsoe


=== Re: ===
== Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings ==
1. Noted to keep to single line option to reach the end-terminus (CCK/Sengkang/Punggol).


2. Yes. The City Hall illustration is good, but there is no consistency, all station don't even have those. Outram Park transfer is a nightmare one, but it look way off/different. Also how can we implement it in sgWiki is another question.
42119 - 23:39<br>
42089 - 23:40   42071 - 23:37<br>
42149 - 23:41<br>
12099 - 23:43      12091 - 23:34<br>
12089 - 23:28   12081 - 23:34<br>
12079 - 23:45   17111 - 23:32<br>
17229 - 23:45<br>


3. Agree with you. LTA do take a handsoff approached in terms of updating it. I once wrote to LTA regarding to put maps and Train Arrival Time on their myTransport.sg App, but their response is, they will not do it. So theoretically, their app is way worse than Google Map because they treat public transport into 3 category, bus, mrt/lrt and taxi, and not as 1 - point to point connectivity mode. It's a joke on how they always say with it. So getting those map updated will take eternalty unless the station will get a new line serving it.
== Re: Travel Time==
I am planning to overhaul it, after considering how disruption take place.


Yes. Making a map for this wiki should be doable. Need to find way on how to implement it. sgWiki doesn't allow svg format, so image wise only png would be better, and it hard to make/update changes in the future if they is a change in the future. HTML is box-like and hard to do a diagonally layout so the map will look weird. For the details - I was thinking about the following would be better so that at least there is a visual cue:
First of all, if a line is down, most of the time is section based, and this means, we can use a common template to syncronised the route based on the sector.
* Bus Stop (with 5-digit numbers only, without name)
* Road Layout (with Road Name)
* Exit Markers (Numbers / Alphabets)
* Visual Markers such as Shopping Centre / Well-known landmarks


But this would be very exhausting and we need to plan well before making such a map. As of now, the station layout and the exit location like the City Hall diagram seems possible to implement first. By the way, there is no limit on Wiki, just that the page can get too long and it hard for the user to scroll that much if viewing on mobile phone. :)
Regarding if there is a need for example Pasir Ris to Jurong East etc. I think should such breakdown incident happen FBB is a better option rather than using alternative bus service.


=== RE: ===
As for sectors, I havent analyse it.
First, for the line diagram, lets keep it to as of now. 1 station code (the line itself, except Tanah Merah and Pasir Ris in the future). I had a nightmare calibrating the lines to feature the CG for Tanah Merah. I had tried to implement the interchanges, but it will get messier with diff format in terms of the capsule.


As for the layout details, I foresee the development of the station layout would take 10 mins per station, because we just need to mark out the correct carriage for lift, interchange exits and so on.
With the implementation of Bus Service Pages, this make it easier as viewer can click on the bus service to see the other station it served and no need for a full list. :)


But if we want to include the exits numbers/layout to platform layout/concourse etc, it will need to take 1 hour to do per station, which is still doable.


For the simplified locality map guide, if we do it on image graphic, it would map up to be a day per station. But it we do it using wiki html format, it may take weeks.
===Re:===
Yes, agree and thanks for the email to LTA regarding first/last bus timing. In fact, I also had to do it for MRT. The first southbound train at Yishun is not even Marina South Pier train (Marina Bay). I havent had time to compile for other lines if there is such inaccuracies because of work commitments and bus pages overhual to bring sgWiki to its best for public. but I faced backlashed on social media for my overhaul. ㅜㅜ.


Tradeoff between image locality map is speed, cause we can take screenshot, photoshop with entrance/exit, bus stop etc. But in the future, any editing will be tougher cause the same process had to be repeated again. But if we do the wiki html way, we need more time to do, align and correct a single map. But the future edit would be easier and faster.
Moving forwards, I also do not have much time left, as you can see I starting to take a step back (the last week), but nevertheless will continue to do what I can as and when.
 
==Re: Template standardisation==
Hi,


Regards
I had trial on [[Template:BS65009]] regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to


=== Re: Progress about Map ===
*[[Punggol station]]
Alright, I now making a Bishan Station Map - Making full use of the non-cross platform interchange for feasibility test.
*[[Punggol LRT Bridging Service]]
*[[Bus Service 34]]
*[[Bus Service 384]]


Here the progress. [[File:Bishan-StnMap.png|600px]]
For the effect.


The size of the map I had estimated it to be within 5 mins walking speed (approx 360m away from the edge of the station)
Key notes:
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|landmark=}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop only
*<code><nowiki>{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}</nowiki></code> - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.


==== Updates: Maps ====
Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.
I think you can try prototyping the Station Layout Diagram first, in terms of platform stairs, escalator and the concourse exit.


Yes please upload a list of bus stop reference into sgWiki.
But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.


When I finish doing, I may post the SVG code into the respective file-talk page so that any one can copy-paste and try to edit the "svg" to create an image. Not too sure if we should include the map accurate date, so if let's say is 2 years already may need to recreate 1 - to make it more updated.
Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
*Jurong East
*Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
* Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
* Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
* Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
* Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
* Bishan
* Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
* Newton
* Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
* City Hall / Raffles Place
* Marina Bay
* Marina South Pier


Also maybe we can trial a file-sharing system to see the feasibility of it so we can update the svg easier for the map.
I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.


Anyway, I done Bishan Base Map, Roads shape are all accurate to the 5 minutes version - which I think is suitable for all stations.
As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.


Haven't done the bus stop and exit. When that done should be ready to go.
As for sector, NSL:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Newton
* Newton - Marina South Pier


'''User reply''': Noted, I will try to find the materials to Station Layout Diagram and do the bus stop reference as well. Bus service frequency list to be considered as well (nearest to 5 mins).
EWL:
* Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
* Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
* Paya Lebar - Outram Park
* Outram Park - Buona Vista
* Buona Vista - Jurong East
* Jurong East - Boon Lay
* Boon Lay - Joo Koon
* Joo Koon - Tuas Link
* Tanah Merah - Changi Airport


====Updates:====
NEL:
So sorry for the long mia. This few weeks I am busy with my work, and would not be able to create or continue the process. Been swamp up from my work since CNY. :( I will try to finish the Bishan map by this Sunday. :)
*HarbourFront - Serangoon
*Serangoon - Punggol Coast


Reply: No worries man, I will try to get the promised work done as well despite work commitments.
After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

Latest revision as of 07:51, 12 February 2025

Just discuss below.

User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images[edit]

I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.

My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.

Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a comparative platform.

I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your own images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.

Hiatus: What about 513 518/A 857?[edit]

I am already returning to work and will pause from any editing.

However, if you wish to edit, please use the following pictures below!!!!! I have donated quite an amount and hope they can be put into use without worrying about copyright infringements.
File:SBS7592M_513.jpg
File:SG1720L_518.jpg
File:SG1057T_518A.jpg
File:SG6382X 857.jpg
 

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Alternate Travel Options[edit]

Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

Re: Disruption dropdown box idea[edit]

Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

Removal of Bus Interchange Info On Town Pages[edit]

Hi,

Noticed that you reverted my edit on the Bishan town page and left a comment in the edit summary. I am currently helping with creating new bus interchange pages for all interchanges. Hence, since the same info is being given on those pages, I will accept your latter suggestion and remove all bus info from the town pages. Thanks.

Regards, Svc135bsoe

Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings[edit]

42119 - 23:39
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37
42149 - 23:41
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32
17229 - 23:45

Re: Travel Time[edit]

I am planning to overhaul it, after considering how disruption take place.

First of all, if a line is down, most of the time is section based, and this means, we can use a common template to syncronised the route based on the sector.

Regarding if there is a need for example Pasir Ris to Jurong East etc. I think should such breakdown incident happen FBB is a better option rather than using alternative bus service.

As for sectors, I havent analyse it.

With the implementation of Bus Service Pages, this make it easier as viewer can click on the bus service to see the other station it served and no need for a full list. :)


Re:[edit]

Yes, agree and thanks for the email to LTA regarding first/last bus timing. In fact, I also had to do it for MRT. The first southbound train at Yishun is not even Marina South Pier train (Marina Bay). I havent had time to compile for other lines if there is such inaccuracies because of work commitments and bus pages overhual to bring sgWiki to its best for public. but I faced backlashed on social media for my overhaul. ㅜㅜ.

Moving forwards, I also do not have much time left, as you can see I starting to take a step back (the last week), but nevertheless will continue to do what I can as and when.

Re: Template standardisation[edit]

Hi,

I had trial on Template:BS65009 regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to

For the effect.

Key notes:

  • {{BS65009}} - Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.
  • {{BS65009|landmark=}} - Shows bus stop only
  • {{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}} - Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.

Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.

But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.

Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:

  • Jurong East
  • Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
  • Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
  • Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
  • Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
  • Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
  • Bishan
  • Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
  • Newton
  • Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
  • City Hall / Raffles Place
  • Marina Bay
  • Marina South Pier

I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.

As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.

As for sector, NSL:

  • Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
  • Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
  • Woodlands - Yishun
  • Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
  • Ang Mo Kio - Newton
  • Newton - Marina South Pier

EWL:

  • Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
  • Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
  • Paya Lebar - Outram Park
  • Outram Park - Buona Vista
  • Buona Vista - Jurong East
  • Jurong East - Boon Lay
  • Boon Lay - Joo Koon
  • Joo Koon - Tuas Link
  • Tanah Merah - Changi Airport

NEL:

  • HarbourFront - Serangoon
  • Serangoon - Punggol Coast

After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.

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