User talk:Wekelwrady
Just discuss below.
Written explanation on BS07379: Improving Commuter Logic
I will write my take solely focusing on the case of Lavender and its nearby CBD areas without taking any other example.
Lavender is an area that can be confusing for new/first-time commuters who are attempting wayfinding, because wayfinding is largely affected by the presence of two main roads: North Bridge Rd and Victoria Street. Commuters who may not be familiar usually have an incorrect impression that because 000 service stops at Victoria Street eastbound, 000 service would also serve Victoria Street westbound. However, we all know that only selected services serve Victoria Street westbound while the rest ply North Bridge Road. This is a huge flaw when the difference could not be told, and this case is not isolated to Lavender alone.
Thus, the routings of services 61, 107, 133, 145 and 961 has to be distinctively differentiated from the moment they depart BS07379 (Aperia) bus stop. A bus driver may not understand if the commuter asks whether North Bridge Rd services go to EW11 Lavender station. But if you ask a Service 2, 12, 33, 107, 133 bus driver, they will confirm that these go to EW11 Lavender station. This is also the reason why I did not label EW11 Lavender on BS01339 Bef Crawford Bridge as commuters need to know that North Bridge Road and Victoria Street bring them to different destinations.
This is in line with how the City Hall bus stops are listed. While Services 147 and 190 turn right into Victoria Street, they do not serve City Hall MRT as the station is not within the sight of CHIJMEs bus stop. Whereas Services 124 and 174 serve directly outside City Hall MRT along North Bridge Rd.
Why is BS07371 labelled with EW11 Lavender instead? Because the reason is simple: it is heading away from North Bridge Rd & Victoria Street. And as per explanation, there is a guided sheltered walkway connecting EW11 Lavender station. Therefore, the question is entirely reasonable and I feel that can be explained and broken down into detail with.
Heads Up
After I complete some of my work I will start to upgrade the rest of the existing bus stop templates. I aiming to complete it by end of February although it's thousands of bus stops. Cheers.
User's Stance: Uploading of non-watermarked images
I would like to answer some questions regarding why I choose to upload other types of images instead of using Land Transport Guru's.
My answer is simple. First of all, images with watermarks in the middle affect the overall aesthetics of the infobox. Secondly, exploring other image options out of the comfort zone is a good thing, and it captures the eyes of internet users in a more pleasant manner, rather than a heavily watermarked image. The images involved in Sgwiki's bus service pages are in Google Images right now as I speak.
Lastly and most importantly, the goal in the manifest is to build a comparative platform.
I hope that more users are able to understand where I am coming from and able to assist in contributing more of your OWN images. It is really appreciated with gratitude.
Clarification!
My words seem to have been put out of context. I think I didn't make it clear what I meant by the watermarked images. What I was referring to was to address allegations that "sgwiki is plagarising LTG", which I think we should take a unique and exclusive step in the editorial direction of sgwiki. Presenting my own images is part of reducing that negative perception that readers initially had on the new bus service page rollout.
But please don't rush!! The content still has to come first, pictures come last!!
Secondly, I would like to point out self-sustainability for sgwiki as a goal, thus these images I uploaded are meant for sgwiki use, and meant to remove any layer of copyright issues that arise (TLDR: just use them directly for bus service pages). Images that are already on model pages are not to be largely untouched as these are not a priority.
User's Stance: Regarding recent Maintenance Work
I would like to be realistic here. The reasons other transport pages have been successful have always been attributed to regular maintenance. Therefore, for an encyclopedia to be relevant, the MOST IMPORTANT CORE OF CONTENTS MUST BE THERE. I know that I am getting frustrated, but stacking incomplete work on top of incomplete work can stress out people. Checks and corrections are an important investment and can never be excluded. I hope relevant editors can understand why I need to emphasise this.
I am supposed to be helping out at the trains page, but if editors can be more attentive, I hope I can continue my supposed schedule at the trains page.
Feedback from social media
Special trip departures and Short-Trip departures are too clustered - not spaced apart.
To correct with appropriate line spacing and more neat presentation of departures
Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording
- NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.
>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).
- NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?
RE: Alternate Travel Options
Hi,
Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.
I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.
Thanks and Regards
Re: Disruption dropdown box idea
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)
As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.
Improvements to counting buses by op
Automatic calculator that monitors the deployment table(?)
Fixing 184 Weekday Last Bus timings
42119 - 23:39
42089 - 23:40 42071 - 23:37
42149 - 23:41
12099 - 23:43 12091 - 23:34
12089 - 23:28 12081 - 23:34
12079 - 23:45 17111 - 23:32
17229 - 23:45
Re: Travel Time
I am planning to overhaul it, after considering how disruption take place.
First of all, if a line is down, most of the time is section based, and this means, we can use a common template to syncronised the route based on the sector.
Regarding if there is a need for example Pasir Ris to Jurong East etc. I think should such breakdown incident happen FBB is a better option rather than using alternative bus service.
As for sectors, I havent analyse it.
With the implementation of Bus Service Pages, this make it easier as viewer can click on the bus service to see the other station it served and no need for a full list. :)
Re:
Yes, agree and thanks for the email to LTA regarding first/last bus timing. In fact, I also had to do it for MRT. The first southbound train at Yishun is not even Marina South Pier train (Marina Bay). I havent had time to compile for other lines if there is such inaccuracies because of work commitments and bus pages overhual to bring sgWiki to its best for public. but I faced backlashed on social media for my overhaul. ㅜㅜ.
Moving forwards, I also do not have much time left, as you can see I starting to take a step back (the last week), but nevertheless will continue to do what I can as and when.
Re: Template standardisation
Hi,
I had trial on Template:BS65009 regarding the feedbacks, and special thanks to Shaun for highlighting the problem. You can refer to
For the effect.
Key notes:
{{BS65009}}- Shows bus stop and nearby ammenities columns.{{BS65009|landmark=}}- Shows bus stop only{{BS65009|swt={{BS/SWT|xxx}}}}- Shows bus stop, swt and nearby ammenities columns. The template 'SWT' has no change, just append "BS/" to its prefix will do.
Regarding Alternate Travel Option, I am thinking of consodilate and merge into a single sector page, i.e. 1 page for Pasir Ris to Tanah Merah (sector as train normally turnaround at Tanah Merah if breakdown between this sector), showing a spider network on traveling between the four station.
But I saw your work at Tampines, which is quite good, so can just use yours.
Regarding the major stops connections, I use NSL for example:
- Jurong East
- Bukit Batok (Between JE to CCK, Bt Batok serves as intermediate stop, with more options heading to CCK/Wdl, and Bt Gomak connections)
- Choa Chu Kang (For Yew Tee connections)
- Woodlands (For Kranji, Marsiling, Admiralty, Sembawang connections)
- Yishun (For Sembawang, Canberra, Khatib connections)
- Ang Mo Kio (For Yio Chu Kang connections)
- Bishan
- Toa Payoh (For Braddell connections)
- Newton
- Orchard (For Somerset/Dhoby Ghaut connections)
- City Hall / Raffles Place
- Marina Bay
- Marina South Pier
I omit Sembawang and Yio Chu Kang because there is adequte bus service from other station to those station, and almost all bus service do passes those station first before reaching Sembawang/Yio Chu Kang.
As for Novena, the way moving forward is via Newton or Marymount/Upper Thomson connections.
As for sector, NSL:
- Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
- Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
- Woodlands - Yishun
- Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
- Ang Mo Kio - Newton
- Newton - Marina South Pier
EWL:
- Pasir Ris - Tanah Merah
- Tanah Merah - Paya Lebar
- Paya Lebar - Outram Park
- Outram Park - Buona Vista
- Buona Vista - Jurong East
- Jurong East - Boon Lay
- Boon Lay - Joo Koon
- Joo Koon - Tuas Link
- Tanah Merah - Changi Airport
NEL:
- HarbourFront - Serangoon
- Serangoon - Punggol Coast
After analysing, the activation of FBB is normally between these sectors or consective sectors depending on the scale.
Re: Images with destinations has to be shown
Hi, I understand what you said to me now. Ok, I will be careful when looking for images.
Thanks
Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 27 February 2025, 23:16