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== Sengkang / Punggol LRT Route Map, Plaform Layout ==
==Re: Alternative Travel Options==
Hi,
Hi,


I think for the loop service for Sengkang and Punggol I think we follow the geological map in Google Map / LTA Station map?
Thanks for the updates. Recently I had been pondering a question regarding this.


So for
1. When a rail was done, it was typically in sector. Hardly will the whole line went down. So should the alternative travel options groups by sector?
* Sengkang
** SW4 - SW1 | STC | SE1 - SE3<br>SW5 - SW8 |    | SE5 - SE4
* Punggol
** PW4 - PW1 | PTC | PE7 - PE4<br>PW5 - PW7 |    | PE1 - PE3


I shift the Layout Template - UR to UL (This one my naming wrong), then UR2 to UR.
i.e. For the North South Line, disruptions is usually between:
* Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
* Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
* Woodlands - Yishun
* Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
* Ang Mo Kio - Toa Payoh/Newton
* Toa Payoh/Newton - Raffles Place
* Raffles Place - Marina South Pier


As for the Platform Layout, I trial it at Admiralty Station. Do take a look and let me know what need to improve. I not too sure if the escalator/stairs/lift should change to pictograms, this include the Faregates, Ticketing Machine and the Passenger Service Control.
So, this means that for the rest, one can hop on back to the same line past the disruption sector which will speed out travelling time.


As for the Exit, I not to sure if we do a simplified drawing or use screenshot of a Map, instead of the table.


Do let me know if you have any suggestion.
2. In the event for the whole line is down, sometimes the Rail Bridging Service is the best option.


=== Re: ===
i.e. For the East West Line, if I am at Pasir Ris and heading towards Boon Lay, I am better off taking the Bridging Services as multiple transfer may not even be faster than the bridging service.
For the subsequent station on SKLRT & PGLRT, there is 2 takes.
* Treat it as a normal route map, reached until Sengkang/Punggol as a single line and that's it.
* Follow the same as Sengkang/Punggol, but only keep the East/West Loop segment


I think this would also affect the layout for those stations on the BPLRT, especially for the BP7 - BP13 ones as they are in a loop.


Noted on your Platform Layout takes. I will think of how I can improve it.
3. Regarding the Walking Distance, I think no need to keep the standardised 5 minutes, but as a gauge of thumb "80 metres = 1 minute". So we can keep this instead. Secondly, I don't think 5 minutes rule should apply because of the proximity of nearby stations, especially in the CBD.


Ideally if we can implement something like this [https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/20221208_123522-jpg.4264906/] would be better as it would fit in the concourse exit directory easily.
i.e. Travelling to TEL Maxwell. In the event of TEL breakdown, I might as well walk from Outram Park/Chinatown to Maxwell (and vice-versa) rather than taking the long detour of bus transfer (80) and other services to reach it. Walking may even be faster than bus.


As for Alternate Travel Method for Locality Map, it would be a good idea, but there is lack of consistency between the various MRT operators, and also LRT stations. Furthermore, some online map services are not even accurate and differ from 1 another, with no clear indication of Bus Stop Numbers on their maps. Will consider/ponders more about it or if you had an alternative do let me know and let see how we can implement it out.
But nevertheless, the route should be easier to understand and navigate across, and as comfortable as possible in the hot climate / at night as disruption may occurs any time.


Thanks & Regards
=== My Plans ===
1. As per usual, I am going to update everything with the opening of TEL4 and NELe (and the distance between stations, i.e. is horribly difficult, plus the acronym of the stations). I not sure whether is it intentionally or not, but I feel like LTA is going to scrap the three letter abbreviation (i.e. XPO for Expo, CGA for Changi Airport) as it was getting harder and harder to obtain/find such information in station. In the past, I can easily go to the headwall/tailwall and read from there, but is seems they started not to post it there anymore and refer to "TExx" etc for abbreviation.


Supernutorcrazy
Similiarly, the reason why terminus station had dropped the terminus circle-number is because LTA seems to omit (or put it less obvious for older one) and the new signage omits completely and refer to the normal "TExx" etc for terminus.


=== Re: ===
1. Noted to keep to single line option to reach the end-terminus (CCK/Sengkang/Punggol).


2. Yes. The City Hall illustration is good, but there is no consistency, all station don't even have those. Outram Park transfer is a nightmare one, but it look way off/different. Also how can we implement it in sgWiki is another question.
2. Next up, for the first/last train, but I suspect the first Southbound trip for NSL (First train departing from Bishan and Kranji respectively) actually terminates and turnaround at Marina Bay (LTA publicises as Marina South Pier instead), while the first train from Jurong East is the first Marina South Pier train. I am trying to narrow down and observe for the other lines, and of course update the BPLRT first/last train timing for Service A (Operating on Saturday now also)


3. Agree with you. LTA do take a handsoff approached in terms of updating it. I once wrote to LTA regarding to put maps and Train Arrival Time on their myTransport.sg App, but their response is, they will not do it. So theoretically, their app is way worse than Google Map because they treat public transport into 3 category, bus, mrt/lrt and taxi, and not as 1 - point to point connectivity mode. It's a joke on how they always say with it. So getting those map updated will take eternalty unless the station will get a new line serving it.


Yes. Making a map for this wiki should be doable. Need to find way on how to implement it. sgWiki doesn't allow svg format, so image wise only png would be better, and it hard to make/update changes in the future if they is a change in the future. HTML is box-like and hard to do a diagonally layout so the map will look weird. For the details - I was thinking about the following would be better so that at least there is a visual cue:
3. To make the wiki even more meaningful, I not really sure should I create pages aka "how to" for tourism such as
* Bus Stop (with 5-digit numbers only, without name)
* How to board a train/bus, travel using public transport, tips
* Road Layout (with Road Name)
* Navigate between Changi Airport Terminals/Jewels
* Exit Markers (Numbers / Alphabets)
* Heading to Malaysia via Land
* Visual Markers such as Shopping Centre / Well-known landmarks
* Going to Pulau Ubin/Southern Islands/Sentosa
* Flight Schedule (in/out of Changi/Seletar Airport)
* Recommended food to eat


But this would be very exhausting and we need to plan well before making such a map. As of now, the station layout and the exit location like the City Hall diagram seems possible to implement first. By the way, there is no limit on Wiki, just that the page can get too long and it hard for the user to scroll that much if viewing on mobile phone. :)
And such a meaning means, these page will most likely featured in multiple languages, I am thinking of writing in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Malay, English first.
 
=== RE: ===
First, for the line diagram, lets keep it to as of now. 1 station code (the line itself, except Tanah Merah and Pasir Ris in the future). I had a nightmare calibrating the lines to feature the CG for Tanah Merah. I had tried to implement the interchanges, but it will get messier with diff format in terms of the capsule.
 
As for the layout details, I foresee the development of the station layout would take 10 mins per station, because we just need to mark out the correct carriage for lift, interchange exits and so on.
 
But if we want to include the exits numbers/layout to platform layout/concourse etc, it will need to take 1 hour to do per station, which is still doable.
 
For the simplified locality map guide, if we do it on image graphic, it would map up to be a day per station. But it we do it using wiki html format, it may take weeks.
 
Tradeoff between image locality map is speed, cause we can take screenshot, photoshop with entrance/exit, bus stop etc. But in the future, any editing will be tougher cause the same process had to be repeated again. But if we do the wiki html way, we need more time to do, align and correct a single map. But the future edit would be easier and faster.
 
Regards
 
=== Re: Progress about Map ===
Alright, I now making a Bishan Station Map - Making full use of the non-cross platform interchange for feasibility test.
 
Here the progress. [[File:Bishan-StnMap.png|600px]]
 
The size of the map I had estimated it to be within 5 mins walking speed (approx 360m away from the edge of the station)
 
==== Updates: Maps ====
I think you can try prototyping the Station Layout Diagram first, in terms of platform stairs, escalator and the concourse exit.
 
Yes please upload a list of bus stop reference into sgWiki.
 
When I finish doing, I may post the SVG code into the respective file-talk page so that any one can copy-paste and try to edit the "svg" to create an image. Not too sure if we should include the map accurate date, so if let's say is 2 years already may need to recreate 1 - to make it more updated.
 
Also maybe we can trial a file-sharing system to see the feasibility of it so we can update the svg easier for the map.
 
Anyway, I done Bishan Base Map, Roads shape are all accurate to the 5 minutes version - which I think is suitable for all stations.
 
Haven't done the bus stop and exit. When that done should be ready to go.
 
'''User reply''': Noted, I will try to find the materials to Station Layout Diagram and do the bus stop reference as well. Bus service frequency list to be considered as well (nearest to 5 mins).
 
====Updates:====
So sorry for the long mia. This few weeks I am busy with my work, and would not be able to create or continue the process. Been swamp up from my work since CNY. :( I will try to finish the Bishan map by this Sunday. :)
 
Reply: No worries man, I will try to get the promised work done as well despite work commitments.

Revision as of 19:24, 14 April 2024

Just discuss below.


Re: Alternative Travel Options

Hi,

Thanks for the updates. Recently I had been pondering a question regarding this.

1. When a rail was done, it was typically in sector. Hardly will the whole line went down. So should the alternative travel options groups by sector?

i.e. For the North South Line, disruptions is usually between:

  • Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang
  • Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
  • Woodlands - Yishun
  • Yishun - Ang Mo Kio
  • Ang Mo Kio - Toa Payoh/Newton
  • Toa Payoh/Newton - Raffles Place
  • Raffles Place - Marina South Pier

So, this means that for the rest, one can hop on back to the same line past the disruption sector which will speed out travelling time.


2. In the event for the whole line is down, sometimes the Rail Bridging Service is the best option.

i.e. For the East West Line, if I am at Pasir Ris and heading towards Boon Lay, I am better off taking the Bridging Services as multiple transfer may not even be faster than the bridging service.


3. Regarding the Walking Distance, I think no need to keep the standardised 5 minutes, but as a gauge of thumb "80 metres = 1 minute". So we can keep this instead. Secondly, I don't think 5 minutes rule should apply because of the proximity of nearby stations, especially in the CBD.

i.e. Travelling to TEL Maxwell. In the event of TEL breakdown, I might as well walk from Outram Park/Chinatown to Maxwell (and vice-versa) rather than taking the long detour of bus transfer (80) and other services to reach it. Walking may even be faster than bus.

But nevertheless, the route should be easier to understand and navigate across, and as comfortable as possible in the hot climate / at night as disruption may occurs any time.

My Plans

1. As per usual, I am going to update everything with the opening of TEL4 and NELe (and the distance between stations, i.e. is horribly difficult, plus the acronym of the stations). I not sure whether is it intentionally or not, but I feel like LTA is going to scrap the three letter abbreviation (i.e. XPO for Expo, CGA for Changi Airport) as it was getting harder and harder to obtain/find such information in station. In the past, I can easily go to the headwall/tailwall and read from there, but is seems they started not to post it there anymore and refer to "TExx" etc for abbreviation.

Similiarly, the reason why terminus station had dropped the terminus circle-number is because LTA seems to omit (or put it less obvious for older one) and the new signage omits completely and refer to the normal "TExx" etc for terminus.


2. Next up, for the first/last train, but I suspect the first Southbound trip for NSL (First train departing from Bishan and Kranji respectively) actually terminates and turnaround at Marina Bay (LTA publicises as Marina South Pier instead), while the first train from Jurong East is the first Marina South Pier train. I am trying to narrow down and observe for the other lines, and of course update the BPLRT first/last train timing for Service A (Operating on Saturday now also)


3. To make the wiki even more meaningful, I not really sure should I create pages aka "how to" for tourism such as

  • How to board a train/bus, travel using public transport, tips
  • Navigate between Changi Airport Terminals/Jewels
  • Heading to Malaysia via Land
  • Going to Pulau Ubin/Southern Islands/Sentosa
  • Flight Schedule (in/out of Changi/Seletar Airport)
  • Recommended food to eat

And such a meaning means, these page will most likely featured in multiple languages, I am thinking of writing in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Malay, English first.

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