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===Re: Exits===


A round up to the nearest 5 minutes is a good gauge, especially when there are traffic conditions/walking speed that may give variations. I would agree to that.
==Station layout==


However, for rail transfer between lines, I believe there is more room to study about it. Because I think what we have never looked into is the walking distance between the lines, as well as how different stations sync their train arrivals, which translates to different station layouts. Base on my personal experience at MacPherson and Chinatown, where the transfer platforms are close to one another, some of the train arrivals sync together.
Looks like a perfect concept! Very simple and straight to the point with just the icons in place.


In addition, when it comes peak hours, the frequency of trains may be shorter until one can get onto a train easily, just as the examples of the NSEWL transfer stations that you have stated. On the opposite hand during off peak hours, if one cannot get onto a train/bus that smoothly, this might take more than 10 mins waiting time. So I do not think an average of 10 min waiting time is sufficient enough for a disclaimer. I am not enough of a train expert but I would like to understand from your perspective whether my thoughts make sense.
Was this inspired from the elevator diagrams that appear at certain stations eg. Somerset, Chinatown? I will try and see whether I have the skill to do a replication.  


I would strongly support the inclusion of escalators and lifts in the station layout so that people from all walks of life can find clearer and better barrier free access! :)
How would this turn out if it were a transfer station?


====Update (8th Nov)====
== Map progress /Alternative Travel Method Upgrades==
I did some tidying up of the notes at Bendemeer, Promenade and the future Khatib (with updated TEL transfer) pages. Apologies that I read wrongly few days ago, I realised you said that the average MRT waiting time is 5 mins. Since I can agree on this point, I have put it as a 3rd pointer for all 3 pages. As for miscellaneous pointers except for road closures, they have been tucked into the respective destination stations. See if this arrangement is neater for the eye.


Side note I do disagree with the bus part though, though feeder service waiting times are guaranteed to be less than 10 minutes, a handful of trunk services might exceed 10 mins of waiting time eg. 5, 14, 39, 58, 141, 169, 855 etc., in which some might offer just single deckers. Exceptions include 63, 65, 67, 190 where buses keep spamming. Considering the demographics of the towns where the stations are located at, some crowds won't disperse that easily within 20 mins if options were to include low frequency trunk services. That's why in the case of Khatib I made a special notice at the CBD destinations that if one cannot get onto 855 or 860 on time, CDS is last resort.  
In the meantime, once the TEL4 updates are done, I will be doing massive work on the locality maps after figuring out everything with the Bayfront map as the new standard that I finished up on. 1 month tearing down drafts, revisiting the colour palletes, redoing everything from scratch feels so worth it after delivering a promising result.  


Others like Chinese Garden or Maxwell, where conditions are still ok, I do as per normal.  
A question that still sticks to my mind is the definition of walking distance by the authorities. When I looked at each sample map and measured the distance to the boundary of the 10 min circle, they defined  it as 450m-600m, with 500m being the most common out of most new locality maps.
===Re: Walking distance between two nearby stations===


Yes, I had also thought about walking between two stations before. Same had applied to walking from Marina Bay to Bayfront. However, my main concern is getting people to have a familiar sense of direction, especially those with poor navigation skills. Coincidentally, I had one real life experience where I once had tried to explain to an elderly person how to walk from CPF Maxwell to Outram Park where SGH is at, and it was extremely frustrating that I eventually showed the way under my guidance. That has been one tricky part, you know HAHAHAHAHA. As you know, Maxwell is one of those places with poor bus connections, not even one to Outram, so it has been something I had tried to figure out. I would consider it lucky that Service 80 was amended to detour around Cantonment in Sengkang direction, at least something to connect to Maxwell with a direct transfer!
Do we still proceed with our definition of 1 min=80m for walking?


Nonetheless if we want to include walking, I think we can just elaborate with road names people are familiar with, since Maxwell MRT Exit 3 is right at the entrance of Kreta Ayer Rd leading to New Bridge Rd.
Thanks and Regards
 
=== Reply on Walking ===
 
Noted explanation. We will proceed with 1minute = 80 metres. I have also discovered that besides Google Maps, you can also use the ruler function of OneMap to help map out the easiest walking paths.
 
I am thinking of a concept of walking such that it can be in this format
 
Total: xxx m <br>
1. Walk <br>
2. Turn <br>
3. Keep walking <br>
 
If the walking instructions are too much, especially between stations, then we can continue putting the most common walking paths the form of W2T diagrams. However, where necessary, might resort to put the station locality map in the walking instructions since the nearby stations are reflected OR when barrier free access requirements are not fulfilled. Barrier free access is still needed, as per your reminder 2 years ago. Raffles Place diagram was only half useful.
 
Irregardless of the choice we make, I will continue to make custom W2T/walking instruction maps, especially for Shenton Way's and Tanjong Rhu's part, which in turn can do away lengthy sentences into short phrases.
 
Edit: Just as I was about to write a complaint on the unavailability of the Bugis - Jalan Besar walking map, I keyed in the station codes and they actually put it up recently without me saying a word. But their diagram passes through closed off areas on NSC construction...
 
== Reply: Fleet Size of 912 ==
Hi.
 
I will leave the fleet size as 4 for now. As far as I know they only have 4 buses scheduled with 5 AP duties every day.
 
== Re "858 DD" ==
 
I thank you for the message. Just to put it on record, I have no issues with the revert, which I find completely justified (as you've laid out on the false impression part), and I would've removed/changed the message as well. However, the message that Alphabetlorefan1 said "bus 858 DDs are cameo" was an erroneous one, as they are not cameos, which you've also recognized that there are downroute slots. Hence I felt there was a need to correct the user so as to prevent any misunderstandings in the future.
 
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Rail Wiki Expansion

Hi Supernutorcrazy,

Is it OK to add info of train deployments (including TRNs and their sequences), acronyms legend and train fleet info (similar to what's done for buses)?
Data can be obtained from here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMuCeF31etWzPv_U42qMaFoHvYwDpnkSWHgjvuuTxdg/edit
All data collated in the above document are based on spottings and observations from fellow enthusiasts.

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Station layout

Looks like a perfect concept! Very simple and straight to the point with just the icons in place.

Was this inspired from the elevator diagrams that appear at certain stations eg. Somerset, Chinatown? I will try and see whether I have the skill to do a replication.

How would this turn out if it were a transfer station?

Map progress /Alternative Travel Method Upgrades

In the meantime, once the TEL4 updates are done, I will be doing massive work on the locality maps after figuring out everything with the Bayfront map as the new standard that I finished up on. 1 month tearing down drafts, revisiting the colour palletes, redoing everything from scratch feels so worth it after delivering a promising result.

A question that still sticks to my mind is the definition of walking distance by the authorities. When I looked at each sample map and measured the distance to the boundary of the 10 min circle, they defined it as 450m-600m, with 500m being the most common out of most new locality maps.

Do we still proceed with our definition of 1 min=80m for walking?

Thanks and Regards

Reply on Walking

Noted explanation. We will proceed with 1minute = 80 metres. I have also discovered that besides Google Maps, you can also use the ruler function of OneMap to help map out the easiest walking paths.

I am thinking of a concept of walking such that it can be in this format

Total: xxx m
1. Walk
2. Turn
3. Keep walking

If the walking instructions are too much, especially between stations, then we can continue putting the most common walking paths the form of W2T diagrams. However, where necessary, might resort to put the station locality map in the walking instructions since the nearby stations are reflected OR when barrier free access requirements are not fulfilled. Barrier free access is still needed, as per your reminder 2 years ago. Raffles Place diagram was only half useful.

Irregardless of the choice we make, I will continue to make custom W2T/walking instruction maps, especially for Shenton Way's and Tanjong Rhu's part, which in turn can do away lengthy sentences into short phrases.

Edit: Just as I was about to write a complaint on the unavailability of the Bugis - Jalan Besar walking map, I keyed in the station codes and they actually put it up recently without me saying a word. But their diagram passes through closed off areas on NSC construction...

Reply: Fleet Size of 912

Hi.

I will leave the fleet size as 4 for now. As far as I know they only have 4 buses scheduled with 5 AP duties every day.

Re "858 DD"

I thank you for the message. Just to put it on record, I have no issues with the revert, which I find completely justified (as you've laid out on the false impression part), and I would've removed/changed the message as well. However, the message that Alphabetlorefan1 said "bus 858 DDs are cameo" was an erroneous one, as they are not cameos, which you've also recognized that there are downroute slots. Hence I felt there was a need to correct the user so as to prevent any misunderstandings in the future.

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