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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.


>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).


== Travel Time (East to West) ==
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
Hi,
 
For Pasir Ris to Jurong East (in the event of EWL down), do you think the following route would be much faster than going to Bus -> Kaki Bukit -> Buona Vista -> Bus?
*3/88/109 to TPE (Bef Punggol Road) <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins I feel.
*858/969 from TPE (Bef Punggol Road) to Khatib MRT <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins
*NSL from Khatib all the way to Jurong East <-- This 1 just 40 mins.
 
Thanks & Regards
 
===RE: 81===
According to Transitlink: Svc 81 from Pasir Ris to Kovan is around 40 mins, from my rail experience, Kovan to Buona Vista is around 35 mins (25 mins CCL, 5 mins transfer, 5 mins NEL). Based on this 2 the time taken should already far exceed the long north detour path. I think this was partial cause we make full use of the TPE "Express" trunk routes. Do correct me wrong if the bus trip timing is wrong. Cause I don't really take those services.
 
On the side note, should we include the estimated travel time so it would be easier to benchmark in the future?
 
===Re: Exits ===
Good idea. I did for the [[Alternative Travel Method/Pasir Ris]] for between Expo & Changi Airport. See if it looks goods?
 
For travel time, let round it to the nearer 5 mins, cause some route may deviate from each other between 1-2 mins?, so a 5 mins deviation should be ok. Then if other alternative come we can help to benchmark those if it offers quick alternative. Maybe we need to include disclaimer that is an estimate and it may varies.
 
Secondly, for rail transfer between lines is usually 5 mins, even for Jurong East, City Hall and Raffles Place thanks to the mismatch of trains arriving/departing. For Bus I feel a waiting time of 10 mins should be average? so we can include those in disclaimer.
 
I now developing the new station layout format for more information and clarity, feel more can be included. Maybe escalator and lift according to the carriage diagram like those in Japan/Korea? Let me know your take.
 
====Update for Admin====
I have done [[Alternative Travel Method/Choa Chu Kang]] for Jurong East to Woodlands, where I retrieve BPLRT timings from SMRT website. Additional things for consideration such as eg. poor frequency of sole service, shorter waiting time for 1 feeder/more than 3 bus services at at bus stop have been inserted. Would be welcome for any feedback provided.
 
===Re: MRT Transfer Time===
I had transfer quite a lots of time between the various line at Jurong East, Caldecott, Bishan, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista, City Hall/Raffles Place, Dhoby Ghaut, Newton during peak hours/off-peaks and 5 minutes transfer time are included in the walking/waiting time in average.
 
Trains between different lines are typically sync according to walking time. So after a walk transfer, 1 would usually do not need to wait, or at most 2 minutes between transfer of lines. This is exception to NS-EW transfer. The NS-EW transfer at Jurong East/City Hall/Raffles Place are by luck and direction (most of the time are just missed a train or 1 minutes wait), but usually trains arrived at 5 minutes, with peak hours may need to miss a train at times (so equal to 5 minutes) due to overcrowding.
 
For EW-CG transfer at Tanah Merah, 5 minutes are enough as trains arrive at every 8 minutes, stop at platform for 3 minutes which covered most cases. So rail transfer is roughly 5 minutes. I not too sure about buses, but most of the time between transferring of bus can be done in 10 minutes after factoring in waiting time, rarely exceeding 10 minutes in both peaks and off-peak based on my experience.
 
===Re: Transfer Time===
Looks good, but the 3rd pointer on those pages doesn't hold any meaning if we are not going to include the estimated travel time. I'm more concerned about the transfer time, as how can 1 route alternative is better than the other in terms of time when trains break down?
 
As for the dispersion of the crowd, I am not that afraid as the crowd itself will be dispersed based on their end destination. Furthermore, commuters may reach different destinations and hence it is an auto dispersion without the need to cater to many routes. There is always a Rail Bridging Service available when train breakdown, abit - those never always be ready when we need it. hahaha. But it will come surely.
 
I think the format being tucked inside is good, maybe collapsible, as this is an odd chance it will happen and it's more of a remark.
 
Reply: Noted suggestions.
 
==Re: Walking ==
It looks ok. however, I had a concern about walking between BayFront and Marina Bay. Even though it look short and near, however, I noticed that BayFront MRT is located nearer to the North side of MBS (Floating Platform/NS Square that area) instead of the South side of MBS. This means that we need to factor in the additional walking distance of 100 to 200m.


I had modified/remove based on the travel time & waiting time. I compiled it into [[User:Supernutorcrazy/Travel Time]] for certain legs. Some assumptions that I made:
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?
* MRT = Waiting Time = 5 mins, transfer time neglectable as it part of waiting time due to train arriving and departing is close to sync after transfer for all lines.
* Feeder Service = 10 mins waiting time in average.
* Trunk Service = 15 mins waiting time in average.
* Train Travel Time = Based on the fastest travel time of each leg according to First/Last Train.
* Bus Travel Time = From Transitlink website, rounded to the nearest 5 minutes.


I had made some changes to Outram Park and Woodlands North station, see if this is ok. Thanks.
== RE: Alternate Travel Options==
 
===Re: Walking/Outram Park===
Noted for your 81 take. I do agree the Kovan part, in fact I was looking at Sengkang/Punggol to TPE transfer if it is faster or not too. As Pasir Ris is big, those staying Elias/Pasir Ris West would more likely use the TPE/KPE bus to Pasir Ris as it would reach their home first. For those staying in Loyang/Pasir Ris East would more likely use the Loyang Ave to Pasir Ris as it would reach their home first.
 
But in this case, we are looking at the generic flow from Station to Station and not Station to Home. Also agree that peak hour travel time vs off peak is slightly different, but I noticed a trend in bus service that ply stretches on expressway to follow the speed in peak hour during off peak, resulting in crawling bus service on highway during off-peak. Of course, the deviation for peak and off-peak is kept to the minimum, so it would only be faster a bit.
 
Hmmm. Agree the part on walking between BayFront and Marina Bay, I personally had walk it before everytime I watch fireworks at MBS. It took 10 minutes to walk even for me as a fast walker. For bus, because the road network and the bus service, it the same as Outram Park/Maxwell problem. I was looking at Marina Bay walk to Downtown then take DTL to BayFront as an alternative. Waiting and travelling time for DTL should be comparable to the additional walking time if we walk directly to BayFront. But of course, we can keep both option, 1 for the less mobility and 1 for the general public.
 
==Travelling between Maxwell & Outram Park==
Hi, would walking be faster than bus between this 2 pair. Distance wise should be around 300-500m, and roughly map into 5 mins walk?
 
===Re: Road Name===
Good idea to include the road name to help, furthermore, we can also include the exit number/letters to help also. Yes, I do agree that Maxwell is not really connected by bus due to the 1 direction road network so I also scratching my head on how the rail briging service will works also.
 
===Re: Deletion===
Hi, I can only do full page deletion, and not history deletion. Do let me know if you want me to delete your user page. Thanks.
 
Reply: Alright thanks for the info, appreciate it!
 
== RE: Waiting Time ==
 
Hi,
 
Looks good. It seems like when bus service > 3 between 2 stops, then the maximum waiting time reduce by 5 mins. However, you need to pay attention to varient that operates at night and main service at day = same service.
 
Regarding to high frequency trunk: 168, 190, 975 etc. There is quite a few, but for sure I know 975 didn't fall into it, unless you include 975A/B. For obvious service like 190, we can use 10 mins as max.
 
As for 807, even with 3-7 mins, if we round to nearest 5 mins, it still 10 mins max.
 
Regarding 857/858 missing API, I would say it is unique to TTS. TTS is famous for missing API, but there still arrival within the said frequency published, hence the missing service
 
== Sengkang / Punggol LRT Route Map, Plaform Layout ==
Hi,
Hi,


I think for the loop service for Sengkang and Punggol I think we follow the geological map in Google Map / LTA Station map?
Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.
 
So for
* Sengkang
** SW4 - SW1 | STC | SE1 - SE3<br>SW5 - SW8 |    | SE5 - SE4
* Punggol
** PW4 - PW1 | PTC | PE7 - PE4<br>PW5 - PW7 |    | PE1 - PE3


I shift the Layout Template - UR to UL (This one my naming wrong), then UR2 to UR.
I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.


As for the Platform Layout, I trial it at Admiralty Station. Do take a look and let me know what need to improve. I not too sure if the escalator/stairs/lift should change to pictograms, this include the Faregates, Ticketing Machine and the Passenger Service Control.
Thanks and Regards


As for the Exit, I not to sure if we do a simplified drawing or use screenshot of a Map, instead of the table.
== Re: Disruption dropdown box idea ==
Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)


Do let me know if you have any suggestion.
As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

Latest revision as of 16:46, 2 July 2024

Just discuss below.

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Alternate Travel Options[edit]

Hi,

Thanks for your progress. I had updated the Schematic route for Woodlands station, by including coloured lines at the bottom of the icon for quick reference on the icons group, so that it would be more easier to reference the icon-pairing when viewing 2 images side by side.

I will update the travelling time for TEL4 asap once I timed the whole trip from Woodlands North to Bayshore and analyze first as the current Opening House could not be fully gauge (as it was sector by sector) so actual dwell time may differ.

Thanks and Regards

Re: Disruption dropdown box idea[edit]

Yes, is fine to do it, I not really sure what you meant by main page, perhaps you can trial first for it? The main page is not locked (I believe)

As for the station layout map, I trying to figure out a way to translate 2D diagram to isometric view (Mathematics involved) for better clarity, so once that done I will slowly progressive roll out on most of the NSL and the eastern EWL. Didn't really have the accurate network layout for most station.

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