User talk:Shinjuku184

Suspected redeployments

Feel free to comment or edit the actual page if these are true

190
5498 > 176
5871 > 184
6242 > 972

985
In: 103, 105, 108, 127

SP
3613 > 983//975

BYD
3237, 3250, 3252 > 976
3253 - 3256 > 922
3311 - 3312 > 920

190 Saturday number of SDs

6 SDs during Weekdays AM Off peak but during PM Peak, more SDs seen operated on the service. As of 5:55pm, 2 SDs spotted in CCKI, 1 SD at BP towards KBT, 1 SD at Stevens towards KBT, 1 at Bencoolen,2 SDs parking at KBT and 1 at Stevens towards CCKI, 1 x-over to 300 during PM peak Based on observation, 190 number of SDs on Saturday all the while have been same quantity since 2021 as SDs still perform on their usual duty, including 2 SDs that does their respective interline. Whether is 4 SDs or not will KIV.

Re: 302x190 SG6244L

As a matter of fact, most of the time, yes.Occasionally is bendy. When I take the bus on that slot, DDU block number is a 302 block number. Highly suspect 6244L is a S shift. Since 15 Feb 2021, when the crossover was added; this slot has always been AM spilt on 302(till late morning/afternoon), then PM OS to KJD then about 4pm OS to CCKI and does 2 trips 190. Most of the time is 6244L.

Also, for 1574 or 1575 usually is 190x302A interline, cos i take these buses frequently on 190 on PM Peak and DDU block is 302-190-35; 302A PM Peak SDs I saw are quite random. Cos sometimes the same duty can swap bus also for AM/PM. But will KIV if it is interline from 300, 970 or 976 etc.

Re: Short Trip 302A

Thanks for the detailed info.976-302-XX do update me on what time it appear so that I can take note of it. As for 121U and 122S, will KIV if it does 302A cos most of the times I saw random A22 like 1648K or KJ Spare one. Didn’t see same BC with same bus performing other route during other past of the day.Meanwhile this evening for 188 SDs cross to 302 I saw is 1581T.

184x302/A crossover

Hi hi just asking if this crossover exist, what block number is it on?

184 and 302 bendy buses

Hi, do help to KIV if 184 and 302 bendy buses that are still interchangeable. Also I have seen some 176 perm buses running on 190 often/some days. Need help to observe if its still interchangeable thanks.

RobloxXF

Reply

Any updates on the observation of the bendies? Also, you were right about 176 & 190 buses, these buses from 190 are running on 176 while the opposite service runs on the same service as of the few days.

RobloxXF

Re:190x302A

I took the bus on that block number numerous times. Usually that slot doesn’t use 190 perm SDs. The way for us to determine if the crossover exist is through duty sheet with the help of DDU. Many times, this slot use random A22. When I take on 190 is also random A22 such as 1574P and 1637S etc.

SG6073M

Just want to enquire what time does 6073M OS after doing last trip of 302???

302/302A deployment re-confirmation

Hi, like to check if the bus DDU block number or confirm their duty number before the edit. Because crossovers such as 300x302 seemingly cease for years . 300 duty sheet has never change and that I see no 300 BCs with same bus interline 302 before.

Also, to confirm, the 188x302A is it based on DDU block number and/or duty sheet confirmation?

Btw, the other day I took 1578D on 190 with the block number 302-190-35 and that duty since July 2022 schedule change is to crossover to 302A in the morning.

Re: 302/302A deployment

Thanks for the detailed reply. Yup based on observation today, it is confirm that 300 duty does perform crossover trip to 302.

But for the so called 1 SD according to DDU should be 302-190-35 because there are duty sheet to prove that crossover exist. That duty of 190 do not use perm SD but a random A22 and at times, OC500LE.

As for the 188 one, would be glad if you can help to observe the duty sheet or DDU block number so as to double confirm because based on previous bus spotting on Service like 975B it can be tricky because certain bus seem like always 67 Weekend perm DD but upon verifying the duty and DDU, is a 975B individual duty. But I would choose to stick to the idea of 188x302A exist from the bus spotting pattern you observe.

The most accurate way by default is always a duty sheet with DDU block number as a support or back up but it can be tricky because certain 190 interline slot like 190x67 on Sundays have block number written as 190-190-XX and 903x902 as 903-903-XX.

Cheers and have a good day.

CCK bus deployment

Hi hi,

Yup 6244L is indeed 301 perm. I think for now 6025C function as a standby perm.

5871H likely a crossover for 190x979; has been suspecting for long time. Have been doing 979 AM peak but seemingly on 190 in the afternoon/evening peak. Likely a S shift interline duty for 190.

5014M and 5042G also likely a standby perm. KIV 1501A a standby perm as well these days. Only perform when any of the SDs like OC perm is down.

3572G I think still 176 perm but interchangeable which is why you see on 190. KIV 5061B perm 190 instead. Sunday also KIV does 190x67 crossover during night time.

Also, with the schedule change for 302, it is likely 8 AM - PM and 3 S1. Cos the 302x190 is a S shift duty. Morning till noon at 302 while evening peak 2 trips is 190.

Cheers TIB1152X 190

Re: CCK deployment

302x190 does 2 trips the 1616 hours and 1748 hours. Nowadays is cameo as 6073M nowadays on 190. KIV that bus as a 190 standby perm. As 190 has nearly 10 standby DD perm, it is not surprise to see E500 running around. As for 5769X is a 190 perm as I saw recently with the new Ad. 5019,5032 also 190 perm. 190-39 is a S shift perm formally a block for 190x971 interline till that service withdrawn. 302 x 190 is 302-302-XX.

SMB84T perm status

Hi hi,

SMB84T is a 190 perm bus ever since the new Citylife ad. It has been consistently doing 190 S shift and sometimes on AP . Rotate on same slot with SMB104U.

Re:SMB84T

Thanks for the input and your effort. But 84T was on 190 AP slot this week on 190-20 on Tuesday. The cases of 84T on 972 this week is like 1489C on 302 or 1402C on 300, few days streak cameo. 190 3 OC perm are seen rotating shift for now(84T, 104U, 107L)

As for 3613, it should be a spare bus cos it is seen on 67,985,184,176 etc.

Perm bus

5026D still saw on 190. As someone taking 184 everyday, I can safely say that 5026D almost didn’t appear. It only cameo a few day streak last month in October. It is commonplace for 190 DD to perform on 184.

Also, maybe to reiterate the definition of perm bus—appear for a fixed period of time, 3613Y appear on and off for past days. This bus so far from observation, it is not part of the roster.

Cheers.

CCK deployments

Hi Shinjuku184,

Appreciate your observations and insights as a CCK-BP bus spotter myself. However, there had been several instances where your edit were merely based on one off appearance and hence it does not reflect the accurate information on the perm deployment arrangement. For instances, you have previously edited 5026D as a KJ 184 and 5037Y as KJ 190 perms when these buses only cameod on those routes a few times only. These buses have permed 190 and 67 since debut and are currently some of the most sticky DD perms on their respective routes. Moreover, their current adverts were meant for 190 and 67 respectively as well.

Additionally for Feeder 302, appreciate your inputs on the various deployment observations. Your edit on 5959P and 5962D are definitely right as these buses have been doing 302 for quite a while on their regular slots. However from my observation, 5930X and 6110P only started appearing very recently, more so for 6110P which have been quite sticky to 172 throughout this year. 6110P only started appearing on non Bulim KJ svcs like 190 and 302 lately and as of this month, I do see it on 190 other than 302 quite a few times too. As for 5930X, can KIV for now but for 6110P I don’t think it’s not a 302 perm from various perspectives. Would be appreciated if the deployment edits aren’t as impulsive especially given the fact that bus deployments aren’t very permanent these days with BCM.

Thank You!

Cheers.

302A deployment

Hi hi,

Just some heads up, what determine a crossover is not by the bus but by the duty as mentioned to you previously. Yea it is common place that 1637S is on 302A in morning, but as a matter of fact it is not in duty sheet. Also you indicate it as 302A perm, but that slot are commonly seen run by other buses like 1647M and other B3 A22. Also on days 1637S run on 302A, PM spilt the same BC would be driving the same bus on 190. According to DDU, it is 190-35.

Cheers.

Bus deployment

Hi, so sorry but You do know that a few weeks span on other service does not means the bus is out of their original service right? Swapping of bus is common especially after BCM. Unless it is official arrangement like that of SG5573T or for a long period of time like SMB5055U. Otherwise they are just frequent cameo.

Interchangeable

61, 172, 983, 991 all park at the same place, so it would be common for them to be deployed across these 4 services. Interchangeable would mean that they will have a whole fleet swop across their rostered duties like how 67 x 188 x 190 used to have them in the past. This term is overused in today's context. Suit yourself, if you think you are right then go ahead.

302 duty

Sorry but this crossover still exist but it uses random HCs. Not long ago was SG6011S that perform this duty. 8024P might be tempo on that slot which I saw done by 6011S last month. Same time and BC on 190 during PM spilt. 1616 hours 190 is common to see bendy with a 302 block on DDU on 190 too.

Bus Deployment (KJDEP services)

Hi

Thank you for regularly spotting KJDEP deployment and update sgWiki. I notice a possible edit warring that may appear due to different opinion.

Let me share my few cents and see how you can come into concensious before the edit warring appears.

You had mention that the following groups are interchangeable, meaning it can appear on any services within the group:

• 61, 172, 983, 991
• 176, 190
• 180, 188, 972/M, and 979

The term interchangeable means that such bus are duty-roastered on these group of service, most likely weekly basis, meaning this week bus A appear perm on 61, next week bus A then perm 172 and so on and so forth.

Based on your daily description, you mention that it was randomly appearing on those group and not other service which indicate that it was not a spare bus.

I do notice that TTS deployment are somewhat of what you describe, for example, TTS 963, 965, 969 belongs to the same group. 169, 856 belongs to the other group, meaning buses that appear on 169 may appear on 856 randomly, bus seldom on other services.

As such, do you think is possible where SMRT KJ practice FD like AMDEP in the past, with service grouping like I explain?

I do highly also believed that SMRT WLDEP also do pratice such grouping deployment.

Regards

Supernutorcrazy (talk) 08:06, 21 May 2025 (+08)

190 crossover trips

PM Peak should be 2-3 Dds from 190 cross to 991. Meanwhile suspect there might be 190x983 as I saw 3 door E500 from 190 same timing do 983 on evening peaks, usually 6340S and also suspect for 190x172 on PM Peak. Can help to check to confirm this? Thanks.

302-10

Hi,

You may want to check on 302 side again because recently I saw 2 bendies on 302 AM Peak and on the same day, the 302-10 on 190 was a bendy also. 1573S might be a temporary downgrade just like how 180-190-21 duty is sometimes downgrade which AM Peak use SD and PM peak use DD.

Service 302 duty allocation (Jan 2025 - Apr 2025)
Weekdays (9 AM - 8 PM / 2 S1)	AM/PM	302-1	302-2	302-3	302-4	302-5	302-6	302-7	302-8
		SG5825S	SG5947Z	SG6011S	SMB1473Y	SG6009A	SG5885T	SG5959P	SMB1573S
	AM	302-10	—
		SG6073M
	S1	302-9	302-11	—
		SMB8024P	Random SD

Deployment edit

Hi, while appreciating the effort you make to provide latest updated deployment, but I realised sometimes you edit deployment that are on temporary basis. For instance, 1502Y recently cameo around to replace 1607D(maybe on workshop or something), then you take it as confirmed re-deployment. Also 302-302-12 is technically 302 S shift. Instead the 3 190 duties that cross to 302 are 190-16,190-23 and 190-25.

About the point interchangeable, it means that these buses got a rotation basis on a specific services(got pattern like every 1-2 weeks etc.).

Next, 302-10 is a S shift with AM spilt on 302 and PM spilt on 190. Driven by same BC so it is considered S shift.

Re: 302 and 190 deployment

Thanks for the clarification and sorry for misunderstanding. So personally based on what I see, 1502Y is likely a 190 perm but got rotated out as 302 SDs these days are flexible except 1473Y and 1573S.

As for your point I saw above, 190 has one sharebus slot that cross to 922 in late afternoon and early evening so 6242S now is on that slot while 190x972M is other DD