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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


==Re: Enquiry for Alternate Travel==
==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
Hi,
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.
 
The goal is to provide alternate travel information in the situation when a breakdown/disruption occurs. So I only include the alternate travel information for the same line.
 
Regarding whether a direct/transfer bus services to reach destination: The route propose should be one of the fastest (including waiting time for travel), with no limitation of the number of transfer. The bus service listed should exclude Express/Premium Bus service (Such as 43e, 89e) or services that operates on selected timing* (Such as 179A/181M/900A).
 
* - Unless the only services that served between 2 MRT/LRT station operates on selected timing, than that should only be included, with remarks on the operating hours.
 
Thanks for your contribution.
 
===Re: Additional Clarification===
Hi,
 
Thanks for your consideration from the start to exclude those Express/Premium Service because of a wide variety reason - and that the main reason why I strongly discourage as some express service don't even operate full days, or at an longer interval, and in the event of such rail disruption (those alternative express bus would be a nightmare).


I'm not so concern about the fare issue regarding concession etc or the marking of such service for such alternative travel information to be placed. So we can just leave it as Bus 518 as it is. However, I would strongly encourage to list those route without Express/Premium Service as a FIRST option, followed by those full-day Express/Premium Service which offer an even faster travel alternative than the first option.
>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).


The {{TEL|b=}}'s stations has been completed on estimation of how it look like, but of course the route may not be the best.
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.


Thanks
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?


===Addon:===
== RE: Station Layout Map==
Hi,
Hi,


I had made some changes to the route you had proposed as I believed such route would result in a much faster travelling time:
I had done the Woodlands Layout too for you to see the transfer station. The layout map is indeed inspired by the elevator diagrams, but some of it is 2D which is abit confusing (hint: Outram Park) and some 3D which is hard to replicate. So I took another inspiration at Changi Airport online map.
*Dhoby Ghaut -> Marina South Pier (Replace Bus to Bencoleen then DTL to Downtown -> NEL to Chinatown, DTL to Downtown)
*Dhoby Ghaut -> Marina Bay, NSL down (Remove alternative multi transfer bus, preserved 106 as it travelling time on par with CCL)
*Bedok -> Pasir Ris (Remove Service 17 despite it being direct, but the route & travelling time is significant longer)
*Bedok -> Other stations (Remove Service 26 as it is winding from Bedok Int to Kembangan, thus travelling time is significant longer as compared to the rest)
*Bedok -> Chinese Garden/Lakeside (Use 2/67 and transfer to DTL at Rochor/Bugis to Bukit Panjang before transfer to 180 should have significant shorter travelling time)


Please don't limit to bus only as sometime a transfer to rail network/fully rail has much time saving (but avoid using the respective alternative travel's MRT/LRT line). Do correct those changes if you found any faster alternative!
So if you stack all the images together into different layer, you will notice that all escalator/lift/stairs icons aligned perfectly with one another to denote the same escalator/lift/stairs. I also take into consideration for simplicity, so I keep all of its as straight line (horizontal or vertical) which is why it looks slightly odd, but still functional as a schematic guide.


Thanks
With regards to walking speed, I understand LTA uses a much smaller radius 10mins = 500m. This is because it hard to estimate and draw the circle if we are going to do the actual walkable path. So most of the time, the path taken will not be direct path to the circle, but rather twist and turn which make the circle smaller on the locality map.


Reply: I have read your suggestions and I can understand that. I will try explore more of those alternatives that you have stated. Thank you very much!
The 1 mins = 80m gauge will work out to be approximately walking speed of 4.8km/h. According to some health trackers app statistics, Singaporeans walking speed turns out to be an average of 6km/h. So I believe that the 4.8km/h would sufficient to gauge all users. If we use the LTA calculation as bare value, then the walking speed will be 3km/h (10 mins = 500m).


===Re: Walking===
I hope this answer your question about the walking time needed estimation, but of course, if you feel that 4.8km/h is too fast, feel free to adjust the speed accordingly.
I had noticed that certain stations have limited bus services and stops. Some stations are of close proximitely with others, such as City Hall-Esplanade, Rochor-Jalan Besar. LTA do produced MRT map with walking duration before. Therefore, walking should also be considered, just that if the end destination of the walking is the station itself, just put the station name instead of bus stop.


Also limit the duration of walk transfer, as we know Singapore is too hot and humid for walking long hours, to about 5 mins walk per transfer. As a rough gauge, the distance covered by 5 mins is roughly 400m. Do also consider the route taken should be barrier-free (for the disabled user).
Thanks and Regards

Latest revision as of 23:57, 12 June 2024

Just discuss below.

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Station Layout Map[edit]

Hi,

I had done the Woodlands Layout too for you to see the transfer station. The layout map is indeed inspired by the elevator diagrams, but some of it is 2D which is abit confusing (hint: Outram Park) and some 3D which is hard to replicate. So I took another inspiration at Changi Airport online map.

So if you stack all the images together into different layer, you will notice that all escalator/lift/stairs icons aligned perfectly with one another to denote the same escalator/lift/stairs. I also take into consideration for simplicity, so I keep all of its as straight line (horizontal or vertical) which is why it looks slightly odd, but still functional as a schematic guide.

With regards to walking speed, I understand LTA uses a much smaller radius 10mins = 500m. This is because it hard to estimate and draw the circle if we are going to do the actual walkable path. So most of the time, the path taken will not be direct path to the circle, but rather twist and turn which make the circle smaller on the locality map.

The 1 mins = 80m gauge will work out to be approximately walking speed of 4.8km/h. According to some health trackers app statistics, Singaporeans walking speed turns out to be an average of 6km/h. So I believe that the 4.8km/h would sufficient to gauge all users. If we use the LTA calculation as bare value, then the walking speed will be 3km/h (10 mins = 500m).

I hope this answer your question about the walking time needed estimation, but of course, if you feel that 4.8km/h is too fast, feel free to adjust the speed accordingly.

Thanks and Regards

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