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Just discuss below.
Just discuss below.


==Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording==
* NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.


>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).


== Travel Time (East to West) ==
* NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.
Hi,


For Pasir Ris to Jurong East (in the event of EWL down), do you think the following route would be much faster than going to Bus -> Kaki Bukit -> Buona Vista -> Bus?
>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?
*3/88/109 to TPE (Bef Punggol Road) <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins I feel.
*858/969 from TPE (Bef Punggol Road) to Khatib MRT <-- This 1 roughly 20 mins
*NSL from Khatib all the way to Jurong East <-- This 1 just 40 mins.


Thanks & Regards
== RE: Station Layout Map==
 
Hi,
===RE: 81===
According to Transitlink: Svc 81 from Pasir Ris to Kovan is around 40 mins, from my rail experience, Kovan to Buona Vista is around 35 mins (25 mins CCL, 5 mins transfer, 5 mins NEL). Based on this 2 the time taken should already far exceed the long north detour path. I think this was partial cause we make full use of the TPE "Express" trunk routes. Do correct me wrong if the bus trip timing is wrong. Cause I don't really take those services.
 
On the side note, should we include the estimated travel time so it would be easier to benchmark in the future?
 
===Re: Exits ===
Good idea. I did for the [[Alternative Travel Method/Pasir Ris]] for between Expo & Changi Airport. See if it looks goods?
 
For travel time, let round it to the nearer 5 mins, cause some route may deviate from each other between 1-2 mins?, so a 5 mins deviation should be ok. Then if other alternative come we can help to benchmark those if it offers quick alternative. Maybe we need to include disclaimer that is an estimate and it may varies.
 
Secondly, for rail transfer between lines is usually 5 mins, even for Jurong East, City Hall and Raffles Place thanks to the mismatch of trains arriving/departing. For Bus I feel a waiting time of 10 mins should be average? so we can include those in disclaimer.
 
I now developing the new station layout format for more information and clarity, feel more can be included. Maybe escalator and lift according to the carriage diagram like those in Japan/Korea? Let me know your take.
 
===Re: MRT Transfer Time===
I had transfer quite a lots of time between the various line at Jurong East, Caldecott, Bishan, Paya Lebar, Buona Vista, City Hall/Raffles Place, Dhoby Ghaut, Newton during peak hours/off-peaks and 5 minutes transfer time are included in the walking/waiting time in average.
 
Trains between different lines are typically sync according to walking time. So after a walk transfer, 1 would usually do not need to wait, or at most 2 minutes between transfer of lines. This is exception to NS-EW transfer. The NS-EW transfer at Jurong East/City Hall/Raffles Place are by luck and direction (most of the time are just missed a train or 1 minutes wait), but usually trains arrived at 5 minutes, with peak hours may need to miss a train at times (so equal to 5 minutes) due to overcrowding.


For EW-CG transfer at Tanah Merah, 5 minutes are enough as trains arrive at every 8 minutes, stop at platform for 3 minutes which covered most cases. So rail transfer is roughly 5 minutes. I not too sure about buses, but most of the time between transferring of bus can be done in 10 minutes after factoring in waiting time, rarely exceeding 10 minutes in both peaks and off-peak based on my experience.
I had done the Woodlands Layout too for you to see the transfer station. The layout map is indeed inspired by the elevator diagrams, but some of it is 2D which is abit confusing (hint: Outram Park) and some 3D which is hard to replicate. So I took another inspiration at Changi Airport online map.


===Re: Transfer Time===
So if you stack all the images together into different layer, you will notice that all escalator/lift/stairs icons aligned perfectly with one another to denote the same escalator/lift/stairs. I also take into consideration for simplicity, so I keep all of its as straight line (horizontal or vertical) which is why it looks slightly odd, but still functional as a schematic guide.
Looks good, but the 3rd pointer on those pages doesn't hold any meaning if we are not going to include the estimated travel time. I'm more concerned about the transfer time, as how can 1 route alternative is better than the other in terms of time when trains break down?


As for the dispersion of the crowd, I am not that afraid as the crowd itself will be dispersed based on their end destination. Furthermore, commuters may reach different destinations and hence it is an auto dispersion without the need to cater to many routes. There is always a Rail Bridging Service available when train breakdown, abit - those never always be ready when we need it. hahaha. But it will come surely.
With regards to walking speed, I understand LTA uses a much smaller radius 10mins = 500m. This is because it hard to estimate and draw the circle if we are going to do the actual walkable path. So most of the time, the path taken will not be direct path to the circle, but rather twist and turn which make the circle smaller on the locality map.


I think the format being tucked inside is good, maybe collapsible, as this is an odd chance it will happen and it's more of a remark.
The 1 mins = 80m gauge will work out to be approximately walking speed of 4.8km/h. According to some health trackers app statistics, Singaporeans walking speed turns out to be an average of 6km/h. So I believe that the 4.8km/h would sufficient to gauge all users. If we use the LTA calculation as bare value, then the walking speed will be 3km/h (10 mins = 500m).


==Travelling between Maxwell & Outram Park==
I hope this answer your question about the walking time needed estimation, but of course, if you feel that 4.8km/h is too fast, feel free to adjust the speed accordingly.
Hi, would walking be faster than bus between this 2 pair. Distance wise should be around 300-500m, and roughly map into 5 mins walk?


===Re: Road Name===
Thanks and Regards
Good idea to include the road name to help, furthermore, we can also include the exit number/letters to help also. Yes, I do agree that Maxwell is not really connected by bus due to the 1 direction road network so I also scratching my head on how the rail briging service will works also.

Latest revision as of 23:57, 12 June 2024

Just discuss below.

Re: Alternate Travel Option Wording[edit]

  • NS11: 962 Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long walking distance to Blk 680.

>> The walking distance may be on par with Opp Admiralty Stn bus stop as one need to turn left twice to Admiralty Stn bus stop, turn left again and walk down, cross the overhead bridge and further walk to Opp Admiralty Stn, whereas the walking path to Blk 680 bus stop is straightforward & direct (turn right and walk to road, turn left again to bus stop).

  • NS12: 962->117/M 883/M Remarks: You can take the NSLFBB due to the long travelling journey to the station.

>> What do you mean long travelling time? Alternatively how about 965->Darul Mosque->Overhead bridge->169/117/883 to Canberra, will it be faster?

RE: Station Layout Map[edit]

Hi,

I had done the Woodlands Layout too for you to see the transfer station. The layout map is indeed inspired by the elevator diagrams, but some of it is 2D which is abit confusing (hint: Outram Park) and some 3D which is hard to replicate. So I took another inspiration at Changi Airport online map.

So if you stack all the images together into different layer, you will notice that all escalator/lift/stairs icons aligned perfectly with one another to denote the same escalator/lift/stairs. I also take into consideration for simplicity, so I keep all of its as straight line (horizontal or vertical) which is why it looks slightly odd, but still functional as a schematic guide.

With regards to walking speed, I understand LTA uses a much smaller radius 10mins = 500m. This is because it hard to estimate and draw the circle if we are going to do the actual walkable path. So most of the time, the path taken will not be direct path to the circle, but rather twist and turn which make the circle smaller on the locality map.

The 1 mins = 80m gauge will work out to be approximately walking speed of 4.8km/h. According to some health trackers app statistics, Singaporeans walking speed turns out to be an average of 6km/h. So I believe that the 4.8km/h would sufficient to gauge all users. If we use the LTA calculation as bare value, then the walking speed will be 3km/h (10 mins = 500m).

I hope this answer your question about the walking time needed estimation, but of course, if you feel that 4.8km/h is too fast, feel free to adjust the speed accordingly.

Thanks and Regards

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