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'''SBS8139H''' - BBDEP 156 (or SP) > BBDEP 48 <br>
'''SBS8139H''' - BBDEP 156 (or SP) > BBDEP 48 <br>
'''SBS8173H''' - BBDEP 165 > BBDEP 74 <br>
'''SBS8173H''' - BBDEP 165 > BBDEP 74 <br>
'''SBS6809X''' - BBDEP 175 > BBDEP 166 or 166/175 (AM 175 or other service, PM 166) - pretty sure this bus is primarily 166 perm, even if it does 175 for AM. <br>
'''SBS6714K''' - BBDEP SP > BBDEP 111 <br>
'''SBS8386K''' - SWDEP SP > BBDEP 14 - KIV whether '''SBS8405P''' is a downsize for this service or 196 or 166. <br>
'''SBS8386K''' - SWDEP SP > BBDEP 14 - KIV whether '''SBS8405P''' is a downsize for this service or 196 or 166. <br>
'''SBS8396G''' - SWDEP 14 > SWDEP 32


=== BNDEP: ===
=== BNDEP: ===
'''SBS8690G''' - SWDEP 374 > BNDEP 14 (or 196; not SP) - likely downsize DD on either service (maybe '''SBS7660A''' or something else). <br>
'''SBS8837B & SBS8838Z''' - BNDEP SP (or AMDEP 22) > BNDEP 129/129A*/129B* - these buses may not have ever been SP in BNDEP, and were likely transferred from AMDEP to BNDEP for 129A and 129B. <br>
'''SBS8837B & SBS8838Z''' - BNDEP SP (or AMDEP 22) > BNDEP 129/129A*/129B* - these buses may not have ever been SP in BNDEP, and were likely transferred from AMDEP to BNDEP for 129A and 129B.
'''SBS7660A''' - BNDEP 14 > BNDEP 9 - replacement for '''SG5019C'''.


=== HGDEP: ===
=== HGDEP: ===
'''SBS6018L''' - HGDEP 53 > HGDEP/BRBP 129 <br>
'''SBS6020D''' - HGDEP 53 > HGDEP/BRBP 31 <br>
'''SBS6160H''' - HGDEP 53 > HGDEP 315 <br>
'''SBS6824B''' - HGDEP 315 > HGDEP 53 <br>
'''SBS5060U''' - AMDEP or HGDEP SP > BRBP 238 <br>
'''SBS5060U''' - AMDEP or HGDEP SP > BRBP 238 <br>
'''SG5565S''' - HGDEP 154 > HGDEP 64 - replacement for '''SBS7571Z'''.
'''SG5565S''' - HGDEP 154 > HGDEP 64 - replacement for '''SBS7571Z'''.
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'''SG3176U''' - SWDEP SP > SWDEP 113 <br>
'''SG3176U''' - SWDEP SP > SWDEP 113 <br>
'''SG5488G''' - SWDEP 80 > SWDEP 89e/153 <br>
'''SG5488G''' - SWDEP 80 > SWDEP 89e/153 <br>
'''SBS3840Z, SG5150E & SG5151C''' - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 117 <br>
'''SBS3840Z''' - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 117 <br>
'''SG5361M''' - SWDEP 153 > SWDEP 89//153 or 89e/89//153 or 89e/153//153 - bus primarily seen on 89 during Weekdays, and not seen on 153 on Weekdays for months with '''SG5572X'''. <br>
'''SG5572X''' - SWDEP 153 (> SWDEP 89 or 89e/89) > SWDEP 80 - suspect bus became 89 or 89e/89 perm, then subsequently 80 perm through swap with '''SBS7527C'''.


==== 161 suspected redeployments: ====
==== 161 suspected redeployments: ====
'''• Incoming buses:'''<br>
'''• Incoming buses:'''<br>
'''SG5936E, SG5938A, SG5940S & SG6077C''' - SWDEP 51 > SWDEP 161 - KIV ''''ND323Fs''' returning to 161 in recent weeks. <br>
'''SBS3664R''' - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 161 <br>
'''SBS3664R & SG6099P''' - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 161


'''• Outgoing buses:'''<br>
'''• Outgoing buses:'''<br>
'''SBS3786Y, SBS3792D & SBS3921Z''' - SWDEP 161 > SWDEP 51 - TBC whether '''SBS3933P''' & '''SBS3954D''' are both back to 51 as well. <br>
'''SG5444H & SG5487J''' - SWDEP 161 > SWDEP 89e - don't think these were 161 perm at all, unless I just never spotted them on 161 myself. <br>
'''SG5444H & SG5487J''' - SWDEP 161 > SWDEP 89e - don't think these were 161 perm at all, unless I just never spotted them on 161 myself.
 
==== CDS-related redeployments: ====
==== CDS-related redeployments: ====
'''SBS3948Y''' or '''SBS3952J''' - SWDEP 107 > SWDEP 107/660* - the crossover from 107 to 660 during Weekdays PM Peak should have started during HGDEP days. <br>
'''SBS3948Y''' or '''SBS3952J''' - SWDEP 107 > SWDEP 107/660* - the crossover from 107 to 660 during Weekdays PM Peak should have started during HGDEP days. <br>
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=== UPDEP: ===
=== UPDEP: ===
'''SG5991U & SG5993P''' - UPDEP 51 > UPDEP 132 <br>
TBC
'''SG6220E''' - UPDEP 132 > UPDEP 51 <br>
 
'''SG5987H''' - UPDEP 132 > UPDEP TBC <br>





Revision as of 03:09, 14 November 2025

Suspected Redeployments (to be edited if confirmed)

Note: All deployments stated here are suspected, and still require confirmation. I suggest using this information as a guide for possible redeployments, as stating them here does not mean that they have actually happened. If the information is confirmed either to be accurate or inaccurate, including through edits by myself and/or other editors, the relevant suspected deployments will be removed or edited accordingly. Thank you for reading.

SBS Transit:

BBDEP:

SBS8139H - BBDEP 156 (or SP) > BBDEP 48
SBS8173H - BBDEP 165 > BBDEP 74
SBS8386K - SWDEP SP > BBDEP 14 - KIV whether SBS8405P is a downsize for this service or 196 or 166.
SBS8396G - SWDEP 14 > SWDEP 32

BNDEP:

SBS8837B & SBS8838Z - BNDEP SP (or AMDEP 22) > BNDEP 129/129A*/129B* - these buses may not have ever been SP in BNDEP, and were likely transferred from AMDEP to BNDEP for 129A and 129B.
SBS7660A - BNDEP 14 > BNDEP 9 - replacement for SG5019C.

HGDEP:

SBS5060U - AMDEP or HGDEP SP > BRBP 238
SG5565S - HGDEP 154 > HGDEP 64 - replacement for SBS7571Z.

SEDEP:

SBS5078U - SEDEP SP > SEDEP 261
SBS3889J - SEDEP 13 > SEDEP 72
SG6101R - SEDEP 72 > SEDEP 13

SWDEP:

SG3133T - SWDEP 159 > SWDEP 151
SG3134R - SWDEP 163 > SWDEP 151
SBS6874G - SWDEP SP > SWDEP 27
SG3410T & SG3417A - SWDEP SP > SWDEP 86
SG3176U - SWDEP SP > SWDEP 113
SG5488G - SWDEP 80 > SWDEP 89e/153
SBS3840Z - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 117

161 suspected redeployments:

• Incoming buses:
SBS3664R - SWDEP 89 > SWDEP 161

• Outgoing buses:
SG5444H & SG5487J - SWDEP 161 > SWDEP 89e - don't think these were 161 perm at all, unless I just never spotted them on 161 myself.

CDS-related redeployments:

SBS3948Y or SBS3952J - SWDEP 107 > SWDEP 107/660* - the crossover from 107 to 660 during Weekdays PM Peak should have started during HGDEP days.
SG5933M - SWDEP 161 > SWDEP 161/672* or 672/161* - suspect it is a replacement for SG6102M.

UPDEP:

TBC


SMRT Buses:

WLDEP:

SG5452J - WLDEP 67 > WLDEP 964 or 960 - KIV 67 having only 5 perm DDs on WLDEP side (unless there's one I keep missing). In any case, I have not seen SG5452J on 67 for ages, and suspect it is mostly on either 964 or 960.
SG5435J - WLDEP 903 > WLDEP 903//960 or 960
SG5152A - WLDEP 913 > WLDEP 67

UPD stickers

UPD stickers are gradually coming back. You mind listing what you see here then?

Reply (23ispolo):

This table presents buses with UPD stickers based on cross-checking the regos with my memory, other than some unconfirmed buses from 145 (i.e. SBS5030G, SBS6222M & SBS8297J). There may still be buses that are not 145 perm anymore, but still have the white UPD sticker. Moreover, some UPDEP buses do not have either blue or white UPD stickers (e.g. SBS8770J & SG5544C), or have a plain blue sticker (which I did not include here). Otherwise, this should be accurate unless I missed out regos by accident.

Buses with "UPD" windscreen sticker

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BNDEP
UPD

SBS6075X SBS6121X SBS6139X SBS6192R SBS6193M SG1227U
Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
SBS5177S SBS5231T
Scania K230UB
SG3001R SG3002M SG3003K SG3004H SG3006C SG3008Y
Volvo B5LH
SG6178U SG6185Z
MAN ND323F
SBS7665L SBS3118B SBS3697X
Volvo B9TL

HGDEP
UPD

SBS8942E
Scania K230UB

UPDEP
UPD

SMB3043S SG1705G SG1709X SG1710R SG1711M SG1714E SG1715C SG1716A SG1721J SG1722G SG1749E SG1857B SG1859X SG1860R SG1862K SG1863H SG1864E SG1865C SG1866A SG1867Y SG1868U SG1882C SG1883A
MAN NL323F
SBS6201Z SBS6211U SBS6214L SBS6216G SBS6218B SBS6222M SBS6228Y SBS6229U SBS6233G SBS6243C SBS6244A SBS6254X SBS6270Z SBS6280U SBS6285G SBS6334Z SBS6375E SBS6376C SBS6380P SBS6386Z SBS6394A SBS6395Y SBS6397S SBS6404E SBS6416X SBS6601C SBS6602A SBS6619C SBS6630T SBS6634H SBS6635E SBS6639U SBS6650K SBS6651H SBS6652E SBS6655Y SBS6661D SBS6666R SBS6672Y SBS6674S SBS6675P SBS6687E SBS6704P SBS6721P SBS6735A SBS6752A SBS6754U SBS6755S SBS6761Z SBS6764R SBS6772S SBS6774L SBS6775J SBS6776G SBS6778B SBS6806D SBS6848H SG1020Z SG1021X SG1022T SG1028C SG1029A SG1030U SG1031S SG1032P SG1033L SG1034J SG1035G SG1036D SG1037B SG1038Z SG1039X SG1040R SG1042K SG1043H SG1044E SG1045C SG1046A SG1047Y SG1048U SG1049S SG1050L SG1103T SG1104R SG1113P SG1117D SG1118B SG1119Z SG1121R SG1122M SG1123K SG1128Y SG1129U SG1130P SG1134D SG1135B SG1136Z SG1137X SG1142E SG1143C SG1145Y SG1196A SG1198U SG1199S SG1200X SG1201T SG1209Y SG1210S SG1211P SG1212L SG1213J SG1214G SG1215D SG1217Z SG1218X SG1219T SG1220M SG1221K SG1222H SG1223E SG1224C SG1225A
Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
SBS8056M SBS8090M SBS8114D SBS8131D SBS8134X SBS8159A SBS8220E SBS8229G SBS8267X SBS8335H SBS8395J SBS8420U SBS8421S SBS8432K SBS8434E SBS8488A SBS8491P SBS8517A SBS8518Y SBS8527X SBS8530K SBS8541D SBS8563R SBS8593D SBS8615A SBS8619P SBS8631C SBS8640B SBS8641Z SBS8659Z SBS8687S SBS8688P SBS8689L SBS8702G SBS8728H SBS8729E SBS8733S SBS8747C SBS8751P SBS8757Z SBS8758X SBS8759T SBS8761K SBS8762H SBS8763E SBS8768S SBS8773B SBS8778M SBS8782A SBS8783Y SBS8793T SBS8806R SBS8807M SBS8820Z SBS8822T SBS8826H SBS8827E SBS8829A SBS8859M SBS8861E SBS8865U SBS8904R SBS8947S SBS8948P SBS8951D SBS8961A SBS8962Y SBS8963U SBS8970Z SBS8973R SBS8976H SBS8987B SBS8995C SBS5015B SBS5020K SBS5025Y SBS5026U SBS5027S SBS5028P SBS5030G SBS5035T SBS5038K SBS5058C SBS5063L SBS5065G SBS5076A SBS5085Z SBS5087T SBS5095U SBS5118M SBS5122A SBS5123Y SBS5125Y SBS5128J SBS5129G SBS5131Z SBS5135M SBS5160P SBS5178P SBS5182B SBS5186R SBS5216M SBS5223S
Scania K230UB
SG5841U SG5957U SG5987H SG5991U SG5992S SG5993P SG5994L SG5995J SG5996G SG5997D SG5998B SG6001X SG6002T SG6003R SG6106C SG6148G SG6221C
MAN ND323F
SBS7552D SBS7559K SBS7605K SBS7615G SBS7618Z SBS7636X SBS7662U SBS7678A SBS7683J SBS3119Z SBS3133G SBS3135B SBS3138T SBS3164S SBS3247L SBS3282J SBS3645X SBS3755L SBS3814A SBS3854J SBS3911C SBS3912A SG5008J SG5009G SG5016K SG5020Y SG5111T SG5360R SG5389J SG5391B SG5437D SG5439Z SG5482Y SG5485P SG5486L SG5496H SG5511Y SG5540M SG5542H SG5543E SG5562A SG5610U
Volvo B9TL

UPD

SBS6033S SBS6034P SBS6043M SBS6044K SBS6049Y SBS6050S SBS6072D SBS6091Z SBS6099C SBS6136D SBS6187G SBS6224H SBS6237X SBS6271X SBS6387X SBS6633K SBS6644D SBS6668K SBS6669H SBS6693L SBS6698Z SBS6700A SBS6717C SBS6719Y SBS6734C SBS6736Y SBS6744Z SBS6759G SBS6760B SBS6762X SBS6781R SBS6791L SBS6814E SBS6838L SBS6863M SG1166L
Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
SBS8035Z SBS8041E SBS8042C SBS8061Y SBS8096Y SBS8102M SBS8158C SBS8185Z SBS8209P SBS8213B SBS8310D SBS8336E SBS8360J SBS8413R SBS8473S SBS8475L SBS8477G SBS8487C SBS8525B SBS8529R SBS8536U SBS8543Z SBS8546R SBS8568C SBS8572P SBS8576D SBS8601P SBS8629K SBS8639G SBS8646K SBS8647H SBS8678T SBS8696R SBS8707T SBS8755D SBS8756B SBS8769P SBS8772D SBS8775X SBS8787L SBS8790B SBS8842K SBS8852G SBS8858R SBS8886J SBS8887G SBS8893M SBS8906K SBS8928Y SBS8929U SBS8935B SBS8938T SBS8940K SBS8954X SBS8957M SBS8965P SBS8967J SBS5005E SBS5008Y SBS5013G SBS5017X SBS5019R SBS5072K SBS5151R SBS5215R SBS5218H SBS5222U SBS5226J
Scania K230UB
SG5846G SG5857A SG5870K SG5872E SG5884X SG5898G SG6047P SG6082L SG6149D SG6156H SG6187T SG6195U SG6197P SG6200M SG6204C SG6220E SG6252M SG6269R SG6274A SG6294S SG6328D SG6329B SG6330X SG6331T SG6332R
MAN ND323F
SBS7528A SBS7568J SBS7571Z SBS7578E SBS7580Y SBS7598Y SBS7619X SBS7630L SBS7653X SBS7658H SBS7673M SBS7677C SBS7685D SBS7700T SBS7711L SBS3011A SBS3037B SBS3040R SBS3041M SBS3044E SBS3066S SBS3078H SBS3080A SBS3085L SBS3087G SBS3106K SBS3126C SBS3130P SBS3132J SBS3189X SBS3191M SBS3227U SBS3248J SBS3653Y SBS3667H SBS3671U SBS3675J SBS3677D SBS3679Z SBS3680T SBS3681R SBS3700U SBS3702P SBS3709X SBS3757G SBS3777Z SBS3782H SBS3784C SBS3785A SBS3793B SBS3798M SBS3816U SBS3843R SBS3863H SBS3918J SG5011Z SG5014R SG5015M SG5032M SG5112R SG5316U SG5317S SG5322B SG5338G SG5348C SG5373D SG5392Z SG5434L SG5440T SG5477M SG5594H SG5607E
Volvo B9TL

Reply (Alphabetlorefan1)

Hi 23ispolo, I saw your table listing the UPD stickers on your talk page. However, I would like to say that I spotted more buses with the UPD sticker

White UPD

SBS8987B
Scania K230UB

SBS3027E
Volvo B9TL

Just a general question, will it be ok if I can edit your UPD table when I spotted more buses with the UPD sticker pasted?

Thanks

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 10 August 2025, 22:45

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi Alphabetlorefan1,

Thanks for your message. Yes, it is okay to edit the UPD sticker table (section 2.1.1) if you happen to spot more buses pasted with a white or blue UPD sticker, as well as any buses with their white/blue UPD sticker removed.

If you have any other questions for me regarding this or another matter, you may message me here. Thank you.

Regards,
23ispolo

Reply

Hi, thanks for the reply. I will edit your table if I see more UPD stickers pasted on buses.

Thanks

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 11 August 2025, 22:42

Reply (Kay)

Can I add in a blue sticker table? Those are UPDEP buses that park at BUDEP.

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi Kay,

Apologies for the late reply, and thanks for your message.

I am okay if you wish to add in a blue sticker table for UPDEP buses parking ONP at BUDEP. You can add this new table separately, or create a new row for UPDEP buses in the current table (section 2.1.1).

Thank you.

Regards,
23ispolo

SMRT bus duties, 176

How can I add in a box for individual SMRT bus duties of dual-depot services, like 176? --23ispolo (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2014 (SGT)

I have added two tables under Service 176 section. Do add in the duty codes too. Thank you.
SMB1341U (talk) 14:20 31/05/2014 (SGT)

Thank you. However, I need to confirm some of the slots of the buses, like SMB1400H - SMB1402C and TIB544E. So, I will leave their duties under 'TBC', before I confirm their actual slots. But great thanks for your help! :)--23ispolo (talk) 22:32, 1 June 2014 (SGT)

Hi 23ispolo, do note that when you add in new box under a service, do check to see if the box fits well like utilising the space if needed to put into two rows rather than putting it all into one single box. As some buses have many slots, the shifts gets rather confusing with the bus under the slot. Leaving a huge colspan dash - for the saturdays and sundays is rather not necessary.

And also check to see if the box is okay if you do happen to use a mobile to access the particular service you have created a box for. As for some of the edits Ive done, Ive ensured that the box does not overflow out of the sgwiki page for that service as I was told from wikipedia. Cheers and good day!

BRBP Bus schedules

Hi 23ispolo

Where do you find duty table for Service 31? What about other services?

Regards,

BOG

RE: HGDEP buses parking in Sengkang West Depot

Hi there, SBS3720L here.

Understood there are buses like SBS3053D, SG5325T with RED stickers but from Services that are non sengkang-hougang.

As far as I heard, re-deployment of buses are expected.

Based on what I see thus far, seems to support the re-deployment theory, as:

- 6079K (64 bus) - On 159
- 6090B, 6147Y, 6237X (109/315 buses) - Spotted 2 consequetive days on 27
- 8119R (315 bus) - On 151

Will have to see in the coming Weekdays if that holds true, as the stickers were first spotted Saturday morning on various hougang int services (21 Dec)

Update: - Seems like clementi package buses are also being moved to Sengkang west, as seen with 6190X (156) and 3057T (147) currently. Although they are currently a mixture of red and non red tags. - 27 & possibly 329 moved to full sengkang west w.e.f tdy, as all deployed buses carries red tag. Only can confirm 30 of the 35 buses currently. Can only be denoted when extremely sure there are non red tag buses deployed on them. - Services like 102, 107, 112, 153, 161, 165, 325 are still doing dual deployment.

Cheers!

190 deployment

Hi hi,

Those E500 you mention are still on 190 on a regular basis. In fact, 190 and 176 DDs are interchangeable and 184 nowadays run flexi so it is common in place for random E500 cameo 184.

5026D was assign to a perm slot and part of 190 roster saw for 4 continuous day this week; 5032K rotate 190 and 176.

As for the SDs, yup indeed 1638P unperm 190 since 18 December 2024. 84T should be still 190 perm as very commonplace for 176 and 190 OCs to run 985. As for the GB sticker you mention, not sure but recently buses that cameo 190 have a lot, in particular SMB234C have been on same slot so could be a swap over.

HGDEP and BRBP buses deployments

Hi 23ispolo,

I would like to follow up regarding SG6176A deployment on Service 88 currently. The way HGDEP (AMDEP) and BRBP does the deployment and to determine whether the bus (e.g. 6176A on Service 88) is permanent to Service 88 is dependent on the bus duty it is allocated too. Usually, split duty (S-shift) buses are the ones that cannot determine whether that particular unit is permanent to that service, however, morning and night duties are likely to determine the current deployment since the buses allocated to those BCs are fixed and the duty slot would be specifically for that unit. In the case of 6176A being deployed on Svc 88, that particular day was rostered on a night shift duty schedule under BRBP's scheduling for Svc 88. I have been observing how BRBP and HGDEP interchange their deployment for a long time and I think this is the way they do it. However, this is just my speculation and 6176A might go back to HGDEP for 59 again, but I'm messaging this to inform you why I stated that 6176A is going to Braddell as I felt that I did not give a specific reason for shifting 6176A from 59 to 88, that's about it.

Another thing I would like to discuss on is regarding the current depot allocation for HGDEP and BRBP bus services on the website. I think it's best to separate HGDEP and BRBP buses into their own Depots again (e.g. SG0000 | BRBP 00). Before AMDEP closed down, all BRBP buses also had AM on their DDUs, which is the same configuration as the current one where BRBP services have HG on their DDUs as well. While BRBP acts as a bus park for HGDEP, it still operates independently and controls the existing Braddell services while HGDEP controls the previous Ang Mo Kio services along with some services from Hougang such as Service 101. If I'm not wrong, the reason why some services like 72 and 168 transferred to other depots was because HGDEP wants to bring some BRBP services into HGDEP and operate from there, while I won't disclose which services are likely to get pulled into HGDEP from BRBP side, I think it's best to still separate HGDEP and BRBP as a whole, otherwise, it would seem as if HGDEP is overloaded with services and buses. Anyways, I would like to hear from you regarding my suggestion, thanks for reading!

Regards, BOG

965/969 Crossover

Hi,

I would like to share my observation which can help you to aid in the crossover for 965/969. I noticed that 965 and 969 are more likely interchangeable rather than crossover. But it was limited. 969 is mainly A95 and ADL500 (3-Doors) DD (The ADL500 3-Doors are mainly perms) while 965 is ADL500 (2-Doors). There are days which ADL500 (3-Doors) (969) appears on 965/A, and if ADL500 (2-Doors) appears on 969, it may be from 965. As for SD, both share the same A22.

Regards

Supernutorcrazy (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2025 (+08)

Sengkang West Bus Depot redeployments

Hi there,

I’ve looked into your redeployments page regarding SWDEP services. What I’ve noticed is that the bus services like 89 seem to be getting A95s temporarily from 161, not necessarily a permanent redeployment. It might be the same scenario as how HGDEP redeployed all the A95s to 117 from 161 during December 2021, and then during January 2022, the A95s came back onto 161. I suspect all of them are being redeployed temporarily, probably due to either manpower crunch or Volvo buses going for refurbishment. Other services, which has A95 fleets, such as 50, 117, 132 etc are also getting their fleets shuffled, with 132 seeing more Volvos.

I noted that some buses that someone claimed to perm 161, such as SBS7702M and SBS3921Z, were only seen consistently for about a week plus, after that they’re gone already. SG5605K also MIA, I believe might have returned to 50.

Regards, Haram

Editing suspected deployments — SBS6876B to 145?

Hi 23ispolo, can I add in a suspected redeployment?

Following the pattern of SBS6848H & SBS6854P to 145, I feel SBS6876B should be the missing bus on 145.

Thanks. Kay

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi Kay,

I would KIV this suspected redeployment first.

To my knowledge, there seems to be no information to suggest that SBS6876B has been redeployed to 145 (besides the other two lush green HGDEP Citaros thus far), and I have not seen the bus on 145 myself yet. Of course, if you spot the bus on 145 with a white UPD sticker, then the bus should be for 145.

That said, it seems that you are interested in adding to my suspected redeployments section. If you intend to do so in future, you can add in more suspected redeployments to that section above, as long as there is no irrelevant spam or severe disruption to my talk page (as seen in recent days by rogue editors).

However, I do ask that you be prudent with whatever suspected redeployments you wish to add in that section. I usually add in the suspected redeployments after seeing buses on those services for at least a week (if not just under a week consistently) and/or corroborating my spottings/deductions with spottings/information by other people. This is to ensure the information I put is more likely to be accurate, and not based on jumping to immediate conclusions (which can lead to false edits).

Thank you.

Regards,
23ispolo

SBS3027E & SBS6848H 145 possible replacements

Since SBS3027E is still seen on HGDEP services, it it possible another HGDEP DD went over to UPDEP 145? My guess would be SBS3658J.

Plus, could SBS8293U also replace SBS6848H. SBS8293U should be a BM pack bus ever since SG1713H subsequently went to BNDEP 39.

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi Kay,

Regarding possible replacements for both SBS3027E & SBS6848H, I will answer your questions separately for the sake of clarity.

SBS3027E:
While SBS3027E did not transfer over to UPDEP (from HGDEP), I currently think that the "replacement" for SBS3027E is not another HGDEP DD (that was transferred over to UPDEP), but a UPDEP bus or nothing at all.

While you suspected SBS3658J as a possible replacement for SBS3027E that would have gone over to UPDEP in place of the latter, I believe SBS3658J is not the replacement for SBS3027E, but meant for another service in HGDEP. SBS3658J had its white UPD sticker removed last month before the transfer of buses from HGDEP to UPDEP, which makes it unlikely to be meant for 145. Moreover, SG5482Y technically replaces SBS3658J on 145, since SBS3027E swapped with SG5958S, which makes it unlikely for SBS3658J to still be (or returned back to) 145 perm.

I suspect that any "replacement" for SBS3027E is more likely to be a DD (or SD if downsize) that was already in UPDEP prior to the transfer of 145 to full UPDEP control. While I am not fully certain what bus this would be, I am inclined to think that this "replacement" is either a spare DD for BM package (e.g. SBS3282J, albeit in a sense) or a DD from another BM package service (e.g. 198). I doubt that a "replacement" for SBS3027E would be another HGDEP DD, since there is no information to suggest that any other HGDEP DD was transferred in place of SBS3027E.

Another possibility is that there is no "replacement" bus for SBS3027E due to a reduction in fleet size for 145 under full UPDEP control. Since 145 is now under single depot control, lesser buses may be used on 145 to optimise resources; having a single depot also reduces the need to have extra buses in another depot (HGDEP previously), which can reduce the total no. of buses on 145.

In conclusion, more observation will be needed to determine whether 145's fleet has decreased in size, and/or whether SBS3027E (/SG5958S) has a replacement bus from HGDEP or UPDEP beforehand.

SBS6848H & SBS8293U:
For SBS6848H, I have not spotted the bus on any service following the transfer of buses to UPDEP, so I am not sure if the bus is still in HGDEP, which seems to be your view. I will see whether I can spot the bus on a HGDEP or UPDEP service to double-check its deployment.

On the other hand, from my understanding, SBS8293U perms 124 and is still a Toa Payoh-Bishan (TPY-BIS) package bus at this point in time. I personally spotted the bus on 124 on 2 October (Thursday), after the transfer of buses for 145 to UPDEP. This means the bus should be in HGDEP now.

While I know SBS8293U was first 145 perm through a perm swap with SG1713H, this did not change the fact that it was/is a TPY-BIS package bus. In fact, the bus changed from 145 to 238 perm for some time before returning to 145 perm for the second time, and finally settling on 124 last month.

Moreover, SG1713H's replacement as a BM package bus would likely have been another K230UB that was meant for 57/131/145, but not necessarily deployed on those services in AMDEP/HGDEP/BRBP. This would likely be either SBS8395J or SBS8421S, the former being 145 perm before perming 129 and the latter being 31 (and possibly 157) perm, until their short stint on 145 last month prior to transfer to UPDEP.

Alternatively, SBS8417E was also transferred to AMDEP likely as a swap with an NL323F, but the bus is in SEDEP and has not been transferred to UPDEP to date. This means it was either not a BM package bus at all, or changed to being a Tampines or Bedok package bus prior to its transfer to SEDEP.

In any case, I believe that if SBS6848H is still in HGDEP, its "replacement" on 145 in UPDEP would be an existing UPDEP bus or none due to fleet size reduction. This is based on the case of HGDEP/BRBP buses (e.g. SBS6854P, SBS8851J & SBS8942E) which had white UPD stickers (supposedly for 145) pasted in August and September, but stayed in HGDEP amidst the transfer of buses to UPDEP, which means that these were "extra" buses to support 145 prior to the transfer of buses from HGDEP to UPDEP.

Conclusion:
I apologise if I am very wordy here, but thank you for reading and I hope you understand my points in response to your questions. If you have more questions regarding suspected redeployments or other things, feel free to write in my talk page again.

Thank you.

Regards,
23ispolo

Reply (Kay):

No worries. Apppreciate the details.

51 B9TLs on 145

Hi again, are the B9TLs such as SG5011Z, SG5014T etc now white or still blue UPD?

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi Kay,

The B9TLs are all still with blue UPD stickers; UPDEP did not change the stickers on these buses to white UPD stickers. Meanwhile, the ex-HGDEP 145 A95s now doing 51 all still have white UPD stickers.

I believe the new deployments involving these buses are temporary for the time being, and the buses (except maybe SG5594H) will swap/change back to their original perm services in time to come.

Regards,
23ispolo

Redeployment of MAN A22s

Hi, I noticed that you edited 1563 1566 1580 to have transferred to WLDEP, however in the buses in depots section you stated 1566 1569 1580 to be in WLDEP. Can you kindly confirm and rectify which buses went over?

Thanks

Reply (23ispolo):

Hi TIB832Z,

Thank you for the message, and apologies for the late reply.

I meant to edit the relevant pages for SMB1563X, SMB1563X & SMB1580X, since those are the transferred buses (to my knowledge). However, I accidentally edited SMB1569E (instead of SMB1563X) as KJDEP to WLDEP in the depot allocation table on the main MAN NL323F Euro V Batch 3 page, which led to the confusion.

I apologise for the confusion caused by my mistake, and am thankful that Alphabetlorefan1 rectified my mistake promptly. I will do my best to be more careful in my edits next time, especially when handling many pages at one go.

If you have more questions or suggestions regarding this or future edits, feel free to message me here. Thank you.

Regards,
23ispolo

Reply (TIB832Z):

Hi 23ispolo,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. No worries as the error has been rectified.

Cheers,
TIB832Z