SgWiki:Citaro Classification (Poll/Discussion)

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To all existing active editor,

I had received feedback on classification on Citaro Batch on my user page. However, I would like to hear the opinion of the editor on how to amend the current classification to suit the actual situation.

The issues to the current classification is:

  • Do the SBS Transit Citaro Batch 2 consist of the additional 24 Citaro registered in 2015 or should it be in Batch 3.
  • As we are transiting to Bus Contracting Model (BCM), the future SMRT Citaro may be leased out. To simplify and standardise information, should we create a new Batch identification regardless of the interior of the Citaro?

Please share your honest opinion below so that all editors could conclude with a common definition of the batches.

Opinion #1 - Thefoodie

Hi,
Although I am do not really know about buses, but i think that SMRT's & SBS's Citaros should be listed separately, as what it is now. Although they may be leased out in future, their interior specifications bear major differences. As for the on going BCM/GCM, LTA is tapping onto SBS's orders not SMRT's. If we list them as Batch 1/2/3/4 together, It may confuse editors in such a way that they may think that the buses have minor differences in interior/exterior specifications. However, I think that the pages should be renamed such as. SMRT's Citaro Batch 1, SBS Transit's Citaro Batch 1/2/3 to reduce any confusion
Thanks & Regards.

Opinion #2 - Wekelwrady

Hi,
Although I also do not know much about buses, here is another different opinion of mine. Since the SMB registered Citaros have a very low chance of being BCM buses, it may be pointless just to include them in the batches. LTA is using the SBST Citaros as BCM buses, in which some of them have gone to TTS and GA-Singapore, and currently SG plated Citaros are being imported under BCM to different companies, but the SMB Citaros remain in SMRT as of now. Since LTA is also using only SBST Citaros and SG plated Citaros for airport services, without the presence of SMB Citaros, it may be more obvious of LTA not using SMB Citaros as BCM. Put the SBST and SG plated Citaros in batch numbers, while the SMB Citaros be allocated the title of "SMB Batch". So here is an idea of my suggested content and titles.

The SMB Citaros should be allocated this page with new and more obvious identifications of the SMB Batch Citaros.

Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (SMB Batch)

Demonstrator--- SMB136C

SMB Batch A--- SMB139U - SMB148T

SMB Batch B--- SMB149R - SMB188C


While for the SBS/SG Citaros, there may be not much of a minor change.

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (Batch 1)

Batch 1 - SBS6000L - SBS6168L, SBS6170D - SBS6176M, SBS6178H - SBS6235B, SBS6237X - SBS6240K, SBS6242E - SBS6244A, SBS6246U - SBS6249L, SBS6251D - SBS6254X, SBS6256R, SBS6270Z - SBS6272T, SBS6275K, SBS6276H, SBS6280U, SBS6281S, SBS6285G, SBS6300X - SBS6341C

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (Batch 2)

Batch 2 - SBS6342A - SBS6508P, SBS6530Z - SBS6549X, SBS6600E - SBS6818U, SBS6822G - SBS6865H

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (Batch 3)

Batch 3 - SBS2000M – SBS2004C, SBS6509L – SBS6529D, SBS6550R – SBS6599B, SBS6819S – SBS6821J, SBS6866E – SBS6893B, SG1000G – SG1071B, SG1080A – SG1245S, SG1691L – SG1699R


I am not sure about the 24 Citaro issue, but I think that there is a need to seperate the Batch 3 Citaros into two batches, as the range of registration is quite long and there are too many buses on the B3 page. Thank you and regards.

SGT22:07, 28 Dec 2017

Opinion #3 - SMB315C

Hi all.

1. Do the SBS Transit Citaro Batch 2 consist of the additional 24 Citaro registered in 2015 or should it be in Batch 3?

In my opinion, these 24 additional citaros should be part of the Batch 2 instead of Batch 3, although the chassis numbers may be slightly different from both batches. Since
  • SBS6819S - SBS6821J are registered in 7 Nov 2014,
  • SBS6509D - SBS6521A are registered in 1 Dec 2014 (together with SBS6501H - SBS6508P, which are under Batch 2),
  • SBS6522Y - SBS6525P, SBS6528G are registered in 2 Jan 2015 (together with SBS6822G - SBS6829M, which are under Batch 2),
  • SBS6526L, SBS6527J, SBS6529D are registered in 2 Feb 2015 (together with SBS6530Z - SBS6533R, SBS6838L - SBS6841B, which are under Batch 2),
  • SBS6846M - SBS6850A are registered in 9 Mar 2015 (which are under Batch 3).
The registration gap (2 Feb 2015 & 9 Mar 2015) may also mean that they are under different batches. And the 24 Citaros are registered in a way that they are grouped together with the Batch 2 buses.

2. As we are transiting to Bus Contracting Model (BCM), the future SMRT Citaro may be leased out. To simplify and standardise information, should we create a new Batch identification regardless of the interior of the Citaro?

If that's the case, it would be neater if we classify the SMRT-spec & SBST-spec in this way:
Variant Registration no.
Demonstrator SMB136C
Batch 1A SMB139U - SMB148T
Batch 1B SBS6000L - SBS6168L, SBS6170D - SBS6176M, SBS6178H - SBS6235B, SBS6237X - SBS6240K, SBS6242E - SBS6244A, SBS6246U - SBS6249L, SBS6251D - SBS6254X, SBS6256R, SBS6270Z - SBS6272T, SBS6275K, SBS6276H, SBS6280U, SBS6281S, SBS6285G & SBS6300X - SBS6341C
Batch 2A SMB149R - SMB188C
Batch 2B SBS6342A - SBS6549X, SBS6600E - SBS6821J & SBS6822G - SBS6865H
Batch 3 SBS2000M - SBS2004C, SBS6550R - SBS6599B & SBS6866E - SBS6893B
SG1000G – SG1071B, SG1080A – SG1245S & SG1691L – SG1699R

Opinion #4 - Razerboii

Hi All,

  • Q1) Do the SBS Transit Citaro Batch 2 consist of the additional 24 Citaro registered in 2015 or should it be in Batch 3?

These are my views on the registration

  • Batch 2 remains at 450 buses

- Normal: SBS6600E - SBS6818U, SBS6822G - SBS6865H
- BSEP: SBS6342A - SBS6508P, SBS6530Z - SBS6549X

  • Batch 3 final tally is 354 buses

[SBS registered]
- Normal: SBS6819S - SBS6821J, SBS6866E - SBS6893B°°
- BSEP: SBS2000M - SBS2004C, SBS6509L - SBS6529D, SBS6550R - SBS6599B°°

[SG registered]
- Inherited: SG1000G, SG1147S - SG1245S**
- BSEP: SG1080A - SG1146U
- LTA separate order: SG1001D - SG1071B, SG1691L - SG1699R

Initially 330 (250 SBST ordered + 80 LTA ordered), but to me there was an unannounced 24 additional buses procured by either SBST or LTA for novated BSEP batch 3.

°°As per the press release in Xmas 2015.
^^SBS6509L - SBS6529D, SBS6819S - SBS6821J are part of Batch 3 by looking at the VINs as per what user Scania said last year.

  • Q2) As we are transiting to Bus Contracting Model (BCM), the future SMRT Citaro may be leased out. To simplify and standardise information, should we create a new Batch identification regardless of the interior of the Citaro?

On my views regarding this, its best to keep them separate, as they have a vast different in interior but similsr specifications anyway even though future bus companies will get them second hand in the future.

I would suggest the following allocations

Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (SMRT spec)

Demonstrator--- SMB136C

SMRT batch 1--- SMB139U - SMB148T

SMRT batch 2 --- SMB149R - SMB188C

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (SBST spec Batch 1)

Batch 1 - SBS6000L - SBS6168L, SBS6170D - SBS6176M, SBS6178H - SBS6235B, SBS6237X - SBS6240K, SBS6242E - SBS6244A, SBS6246U - SBS6249L, SBS6251D - SBS6254X, SBS6256R, SBS6270Z - SBS6272T, SBS6275K, SBS6276H, SBS6280U, SBS6281S, SBS6285G, SBS6300X - SBS6341C

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (SBST spec Batch 2)

Batch 2 - SBS6342A - SBS6508P, SBS6530Z - SBS6549X, SBS6600E - SBS6818U, SBS6822G - SBS6865H

Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro (SBST spec Batch 3)

Batch 3 - SBS2000M – SBS2004C, SBS6509L – SBS6529D, SBS6550R – SBS6599B, SBS6819S – SBS6821J, SBS6866E – SBS6893B, SG1000G – SG1071B, SG1080A – SG1245S, SG1691L – SG1699R

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