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Re: Additional sections for Citaros and Wrights

I would advise against it as the while the buses are ordered by LTA as an additional order over the SBS orders, they are still produced at the same time as the SBS ones, and to the exact specs. Furthermore, the range for Citaros quoted by ASA1234 does not seem to tally with the number of buses around, don't forget there is still the SG169x batch of Citaros (which were originally supposed to be 1011-1019), plus the fact that SG1000G was registered together with Citaros of the SBS order, which means that 1000 was most likely a SBS ordered bus rather than an LTA ordered bus. In short, the range and number of the Citaro cannot be easily determined, although I have a hunch that there may be 80 buses, SG1001-1071+1691-1699, but that is just a guess.

--Scania 01:05, 5 October 2016 (SGT)

Additional tidbit that could be up for consideration

Hi all, I am sure we are used to seeing the Citaro Batch 1, 2 and 3 with its current rego ranges.

However, after looking through the VINs, I have realised that they are not so straightforward for Batch 2 and 3 Citaros. Some batch 3 Citaros were actually delivered earlier than some batch 2 Citaros.

The following is the range of regos: Batch 2: SBS6600E-SBS6818U, SBS6822G-SBS6865H, SBS6342A-SBS6508P, SBS6530Z-SBS6549X. There are a total of 450 buses here which matches the press release stating so: [1] VIN ranges: 124550-126634 (last 6 digits)

Consequently, This would mean that SBS6819S-SBS6821J and SBS6509L-SBS6529D are actually batch 3 Citaros. The VINs for these buses start from 127655 onwards.

You may wish to take note of this and if you think this warrants a change of the rego ranges for the different pages, a change could be made.

--Scania 16:18, 8 October 2016 (SGT)

Reply

For that case, the Citaro/Wrights batches in terms of its VIN number can be re-structured. Feel free to give your opinions / suggestions on how to improve the Citaro/Wrights deployment pages, because I guess the different interior configurations/specifications could have been classified as in Batch 1, 2, 3 Wright/Citaro, etc.
--Apex-LW'21 (talk) 23:29, 8 October 2016 (SGT)

Re:Citaro and Wright Batch issue

I would classify them by basic mechanical spec first before body number (if available, as per buslistsontheweb.co.uk), before VINs. This is because the chassis of 3449 3450 were produced together with the later batch 3s (in fact 3449 is the chassis right after 3956), however for this case, the specs and body numbers indicate that the two buses are batch 4 Wrights, and in quite a clear and obvious manner.

The Citaros however isn't as clear, but the because the VIN series is quite distinct (ie there is a sizeable gap between the batch ending with 126xxx and the batch starting with 127xxx), and that the numbers for the batch ending with 126xxx tally with the press release of 450, I think it is safe to say that the batches are as mentioned in the earlier post.

I also recognize ASA1234 has a suggestion that the LTA ordered Wrights and Citaros can be separated. After giving some thought about it, I think that can be done, but right now, only the Wrights look more clear cut as there is a screenshot of some publication by lemon1974 on sgforums stating the size of the order. For the Citaros, I would suggest we wait until the buses are delivered and no new buses are registered or spotted at C&C. Though I am open to other views.

--Scania 02:21, 9 October 2016 (SGT)

Reply

Good Evening,

I have 2 other options in the revamping of History of Bus Services article pages.

Option 1: Put all history of bus information by Service order, example, like Services 1 - 20, Services 21 - 40, etc. With this, we can create a timeline for each bus services, from the previous operators to the current operator, rather than a clustered service grouping exclusively for one operator etc.

Option 2: Classify the current and the withdrawn services into one group. Although it might not be feasible to proceed on to Option 2, then I would suggest that we proceed with Option 1.
--Apex-LW'21 (talk) 18:51, 6 November 2016 (SGT)

I agree that Option 1 is better. For Feeders/Townlinks/Intra-towns, should we continue to group them as such (by area), or merge them together with the trunk services (by order of Service numbers)? For standardisation, we could sort them all by numbers.

--SBS3602U (talk)

Re-organising

Hi.
In my opinion, I think there is a need to reorganise the bus services section such that they are classified under Bus Packages instead of Bus Operators.
For example:

Bulim Bus Package: Bulim Bus Deployments by Service

- All trunk, express, short-working trip and feeder services to be listed under this page.

- Express and short-working trip services can be classified together with the parent service.

- Operating hours for the SWT to be removed, unless it is standardised across all services.

Service 66 / 66A / 66B

• (Heading to stick to the current one, as for this case it is to prevent conflict with other sections in this talk page)

	Direction 1	Looping at	Number of buses	Remarks
66	Bedok Interchange	Jurong East Temporary Interchange	26
66A	Bedok Interchange → Bukit Timah Road (Opp Little India Stn)	N/A	3
66B	Jurong East Temporary Interchange → Serangoon Road (Tekka Ctr)		4

Fleet
SBS6317Z* SBS6356K* SBS6360Y* SBS6379U^ SBS6386Z^ SBS6387X^ 6 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (1 Batch 1 / 5 Batch 2)

Notes
* Also operates SWT 66A. ^ Also operates SWT 66B. 20 missing Service 66 buses, 1 missing Service 66B bus. Weekdays: 18AM-PM / 8S (26 buses) Saturdays & Sundays: 14AM-16PM / 9T (23 / 25 buses)

Looking forward for your reply.

@ SMB315C

Re: Buses' history page

Hi, I see that you have disabled the History of Bus Services page from editing. As SBS3602U, SBS7557R and a few other editors together have completed the revamp and merger of services (previously sorted by operators, now by service number / type), I feel that it is time to update it. I have completed a draft of the history page index here, could you help to check it for errors, and then apply it over to the page once you think it's ready? There are also some obsolete pages I have listed under a hidden comment that you could list for deletion as well. Thanks! :) Dragomir7 (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2016 (SGT)

Reply

Hi Dragomir7,

I've unlock the page for you and I have seen your draft. This looks fine, so I have transferred your draft over to the History of Bus Services main page.

Do let me know which unwanted history pages you need me to delete.

Thanks.
--Apex-LW'21 (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2016 (SGT)

Hi,

The pages to be deleted have been listed as a comment at the bottom of Dragomir7's Sandbox.

Regards -SBS3602U (talk)