SgWiki:Classification for Total Number of Buses (Poll/Discussion)

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Hi all editors,

I know that my upcoming suggestion is going to be very controversial, but I would like to mention it anyway.

I am aware that bus services calculate the number of buses in a particular bus service based on the number of buses in the permanent fleet and excluding all crossovers from other bus services.

However, I am concerned about special services, such as peak hour trunk services and express services etc. This is because such services may operate partially or fully with buses which crossover from other bus services. For example, Service 971 operates 12 trips in the morning. Despite that, it is only mentioned that the total number of buses for Service 971 is 9 buses due to the fact that 3 of the buses are crossovers from Service 190.

Let me take you to another scenario. For example, Express 14e has 4 trips in the morning and 3 trips in the evening. However, there are only 3 official permanent buses despite being 5 buses listed there, with the extra 2 buses coming as crossovers from Service 14. Despite all this, the total number of buses for Express 14e is listed as 4 buses, which represents the number of buses operating in the morning portion.

This has divided opinion because the clarity is not there. In addition to that, there are also several services such as Express 850E which operates fully based on crossovers only.

Now, my question is:

• For which type of bus service should or should not include crossovers in the total number of buses and why?
• I have noticed that suspended services such as Chinatown Direct and Night services are classified as "PAST". Can this be implemented on the remaining groups of services that are also suspended, such as Express 188R and Service 170X?

Thank you for taking your valuable time in reading this.

Regards,

Themystery

Opinions Below

Opinion #1 (Lemon1974)

for 971, put as 12 (PERM: 9, CROSSOVER: 3)?

for 14e put as 4 (CROSSOVER:4)?

those without crossover just leave it as it is?

rgds lemon1974

Opinion #2 (Lim Jia Ting)

Do you also mean that rare crossovers are also in the crossover section? etc. SG6141A was in 913 instead than in 903?

If it is this condition, 971 can be plotted as 12 (9 perm, 3 crossover from 190) For 14/e, it can be plotted as 5 (2 crossovers from svc 14, 3 perm)? or 4 (3 perm, 1 crossover) or plot (at least)1 spare bus from 14e?

For those buses controlled under the MCO like 170X, 950 or the SG Covid-19 measures services like 188e, 963e, 401, I have no opinion whether you can put it in the "Past" section. You have to ask the 'elders' of sgWiki to find out.

regards Lim Jia Ting (13:04, 21 Aug 2021)

Opinion #3 (SMB315C)

For which type of bus service should or should not include crossovers in the total number of buses and why?

• Will be ideal to list down both scheduled & scheduled crossover buses under the total bus count.
• It is alright to list 'Unknown' (if fleet size is not known) or the total number of scheduled buses (excluding crossovers) for services that rely on crossovers heavily (E.g. sv12e, sv960e, etc.)
• sv14e: Total number of buses should be listed as 5 instead of 4.
• sv850E: Unsure what's the fleet size like, but the total count should be the total number of buses crossing over to the service.

I have noticed that suspended services such as Chinatown Direct and Night services are classified as "PAST". Can this be implemented on the remaining groups of services that are also suspended, such as Express 188R and Service 170X?

• I was the one who modified colours of CT & N/NR service tables.
• It does not feel right to display the fleet in their operator colours since they are currently suspended for the time being. Hiding the content of the suspended services might confuse other users, thinking that they are empty pages.
• Will implement this for the remaining suspended services - NIL for total bus count & 'Service suspended till further notice' will be indicated for the fleet section if there are no objections.