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==Re:==
We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.
Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.
Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.
With regards to service code for travel advisory:
*S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
*S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
*S95x = Basic service which start with 95x
So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF
All those special buses can also have their own ''Additional Information'' table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.
First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.
== Re: Bus Service Pages ==
Dear Sgbusntrain,
Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.
Yours Faithfully,<br>
[[User Talk:SBS5251K]]


==Roads Page==
==Roads Page==
===List of roads in Tampines===
Hi,
Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?
Regards,<br>
[[User Talk: SBS5251K]]
===Merging of pages===
===Merging of pages===
Hi,
Hi,
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there was an incident involving SMB304J
there was an incident involving SMB304J
== Aircraft ==
Please limit the creation of aircraft listing with little or not purpose.


FYI, the future of sgWiki Buses may be merged to be something like sgWiki Rails so it should hold meaningful information and not listing of all planes etc.


I had move all the Former Operators into the talk page for you to merge into one single page.
== SBS6623P damage ==
 
Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.  
 
Thanks,
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024


With regards to:
In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.
*Asian Corporate Aviation Management
*Blourbit
*BOC Aviation
*MyJet Asia
*Orient Global (Singapore)


You may wish to think twice as those aircraft listed are not registered in Singapore, and they had no rights to fly and land in Singapore without a proper flight plan, and thus may not be based in Singapore.
==Non-revenue buses==


Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.


Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.


Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation


In reply,
Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.
Even though the planes in the listed companies above are not registered in Singapore, the companies are registered and even host operations in Singapore, thus it is still considered as Singapore Based.


In reply, under the ICAO law, those planes are not Singapore based, and Singapore Safety Transport Investigation Board or Singapore Law will not applied to those carrier onboard international private flight.
Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.


Therefore, I will proceed to delete those page in accordance to the rule unless you can dispute the fact.
==Bus Service Page==
Hi,


In reply,
Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at [[Bus Service 222]] and [[Bus Service 911]], where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?
Some of the operators above have headquarters in Seletar Airport and usually have planes take off and land there like the Asian Corporate Aviation Management do fly around Southeast Asia with those planes. BOC Aviation is an aircraft leasing company, which leases aircrafts to certain operators but these are kept in storage overseas where it is much cheaper to store. Even if the planes are not registered in Singapore and not considered Singapore based, the companies are registered in Singapore with headquarters located in Singapore. They went to registered it in different countries mostly for its benefits, so it is considered Singapore based as companies have headquarters in Singapore. You may also see [[List of Singapore Operator Aircraft]] of companies registered in Singapore and their fleet. This should be able to also be considered as Singapore based.


== SBS6623P damage ==
Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.


Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.
Thanks


Thanks,  
==Travel Advisory==
[[User:Alphabetlorefan1|Alphabetlorefan1]] ([[User talk:Alphabetlorefan1|talk]]) 21:07, 6 July 2024
Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)


In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is '''NOT''' SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.
==Warning Points==
==Warning Points==
{{Warning Point|13 September 2023|Excessive Editing on a page.
{{Warning Point|13 September 2023|Excessive Editing on a page.
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Template for bus stops should not be created unless such bus stop may served as important transport nodes (major bus stop for transfering between services or rail). For other bus stop, please use the template BS00000 instead and manual populate the entries.}}
Template for bus stops should not be created unless such bus stop may served as important transport nodes (major bus stop for transfering between services or rail). For other bus stop, please use the template BS00000 instead and manual populate the entries.}}
== Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page ==
Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?
I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.
That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.
Best regards, <br>
[[User:Gjxl1303|Gjxl1303]]
== Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made ==
Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?
Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “'''X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX)''' will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”
Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.
If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.
Best regards, <br>
[[User Talk: Gjxl1303]]
I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.
== Bus Deployments by Package ==
Hi Sgbustrain,
I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. {{Bulim}} or {{Loyang}}. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%"
!colspan=3 style="{{CSS/TTS|s=|t=}}border-right:none;height:20px;"|{{Icon|Bus|W|20px|d=inline}} {{Bulim}} Bus Package
!style="border-left:none" width=75|<small><small>[ [[Template:Bulim Bus Package|V]] • [[Template talk:Bulim Bus Package|T]] • <span class="plainlinks">[//sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Bulim_Bus_Package&action=edit E]</span> ]
|-
|width=100 colspan=4 style="text-align:center"|{{TTS}}
|}
but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page.
Thanks.
Regards,
LTA Bus Irrationalisation
== Bus History Page ==
Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)

Latest revision as of 07:51, 26 November 2024

Re:[edit]

We shall fine tune the service page first before creating more and bring the rest to new format. With regards to whether to include bus rego or not is still TBC. Best is don't include.

Secondly, I noticed that certain trips of the day is always operated by certain capacity bus type/model regardless of operators. Maybe we can include that in as a general if that was the case? This also include crossover remarks, jumpbus remarks, or CLOWBus remarks. I also noticed that SWT and parent service fleet are usually interchangable (that why I proposed to be same page). This include additional bus stop enroute affecting parent service = SWT also affected.

Thirdly, I was thinking of First/Last Bus at key stops such as MRT stations or landmark.

With regards to service code for travel advisory:

  • S1XXE = Express service which start with 1xx
  • S22XF = Feeder service which start with 22x
  • S95x = Basic service which start with 95x

So for Feeder 222 will just be S22XF


All those special buses can also have their own Additional Information table like in the old format of bus deployments just add everything special there.

First bus and last bus at Train stations are difficult to find out but it is informative, so i guess it can have its own section.

Re: Bus Service Pages[edit]

Dear Sgbusntrain,

Maybe we should try adding the perms for non flexi-deployment bus services. Anyway, I understand why we cannot add links to different bus model pages. Also, maybe we can consider bus service duty allocation similar to bus service 296.

Yours Faithfully,
User Talk:SBS5251K

Roads Page[edit]

List of roads in Tampines[edit]

Hi,

Can you help me with the bus stops on this page?

Regards,
User Talk: SBS5251K

Merging of pages[edit]

Hi,

Just a curiosity, are you going to create 10000 plus page for each and every roads in Singapore that just state some unnecessary information such as a list of bus stop and some connecting roads with no real meaningful like histories etc especially for minor roads. If so, I would encourage you to condenses and merge multiple pages into one for the sake of it to be more meaningful.

Regards

In reply

I appreciate your perspective but it is just a passion of mine to create these. I’ll try to add more relevant and important information to major roads, and dig out as much information as possible for minor ones. I’ll try to consider merging pages.

Thanks

Non-revenue buses[edit]

Hi Sgbustrain,

If you want to list the bus as non-revenue, you must include what happened to the bus in the edit summary for example an accident with another vehicle. So what really happened to SG1756J???? Reply if you know!

Alphabetlorefan1

In reply

Hi,

SG1756J got into an accident with a white BMW yesterday. Thats all the info I know as of then and i hoped it answers your question. I will make sure the add a brief description next time.

Sgbusntrain

To anyone who wants the reason since i forgotten to put it.

there was an incident involving SMB304J


SBS6623P damage[edit]

Hi, do you have any proof that this bus got damaged? The SGRV video showed that it didnt get rear ended or it might be unknown. Or you claiming it was from another website.

Thanks, Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 21:07, 6 July 2024

In reply, SBS6623P accident happened near lorong 106 changi, that bus in the SGRV video is NOT SBS6623P and there was damage to the rear of the bus, the bus is currently in the workshop according to my friend's BCF.

Non-revenue buses[edit]

Hi could you please take note that a bus that has broken down is not considered non-revenue, and only more major happenings such as bus accidents, where the bus has to go through excessive repair works, are considered non-revenue. Thanks.

Edit: I just realised that you have clarified that you felt that non-revenue means any bus that is out of service. However, by this definition, tons of buses would have to be put on the list (as can be seen from these 2 days. As such, I would suggest that you do not continue to put buses that breakdown (bus breakdowns are way too frequent) on the list, if not it would make it much harder to track.

Regards, LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Just to let you know those buses that brokedown were from a list past 5 days so thats why there is so many buses all of a sudden. Let those be for now.

Re: I understand you want to put bus breakdowns on the list. However, ever since that page existed, only scrapped or damaged (not breakdown) buses has been formally put on the page. Please stop placing these breakdown buses on there. That is also why non-revenue buses has to be given a proper reason, if not it will also get reverted. Plus non-revenue buses means gone for quite a while, unlike 5035E which was repaired in just a day. Thanks.

Bus Service Page[edit]

Hi,

Regarding the history section, it is better or confusing for a trial at Bus Service 222 and Bus Service 911, where I had included the previous history (prior to renumbering)?

Do let me know your take, and also how should we proceed for the old history services.

Thanks

Travel Advisory[edit]

Hi, for the travel advisory, keep in chronical order from date of changes with MRT/LRT first followed by Bus as the impact of the changes affects more to trains (1000 (MRT)/200 (LRT) passengers per train every 3 mins) as compared to bus (80 passengers per bus every 10 mins)

Warning Points[edit]

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Adding Bus Service Page Links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” Page[edit]

Hi, is it ok if I add links to the “Bus Deployments By Package” page?

I find it annoying that to go to any Bus Service page from the “Bus Deployments By Package” page, you would have to click off, go to the “Bus Deployments By Service” page, click on the page that you wish to go, then click on the respective page you want to go to go there. It would be more convenient if the links to the Bus Service pages was right at the “Bus Deployments By Package” page.

That way, people could go to their respective Bus Service pages from the “Bus Deployments By Package” List and not have to click off as I said earlier. Thanks.

Best regards,
Gjxl1303

Finding a way to add buses that do downroute trips from a bus stop to its terminal with its plate if the bus service page has been made[edit]

Hi, if someone knows the bus (for example SBS0000X, SMB0000X or SG0000X) that does downroute trips from a stop to an interchange, how do they add that bus?

Before bus service pages were made, the “Notes” section would have “X Service XXX ([bus type]) buses/ SXX0000X (Service XXX) will perform X down-route trip(s) as Service XXX from [road name] (Bus Stop XXXXX - [Bus Stop Name]) towards [terminating point] before/during [time period down route happens], departing at XXXX hours.”

Now, with bus service pages, if people know the bus that does downrouting from a stop to a bus interchange/terminal, how do they add it so that the public still knows what bus and it’s duty does the downroute? I’m curious to find out how you would solve this problem.

If you find out a way, please let me know, thank you.

Best regards,
User Talk: Gjxl1303

I think what the user meant is if there are 2 downroute trips, and 1 bus is perm for one of the departing timing, how to label that bus in and not the table format.

Bus Deployments by Package[edit]

Hi Sgbustrain,

I was wondering why you completely reformatted this page. The main problem I have with this page is that there is no link to the page of each individual bus package, i.e. Bulim or Loyang. I did think of putting it like this where the title is clickable

icon Bulim Bus Package [ VTE ]
Tower Transit

but even if there somehow was a way to make the whole line clickable, it would still look downright ugly in blue. I will now undo this edit so that the page continues to have these links. I feel that the UI is easier to use in the previous version as the different services can all be found within each bus package page, and things such as "Clementi feeders" or "Bukit Batok feeders" can also be found in the bus deployments by service page, and these templates also make this page uneccessarily long. That being said, if you do find an effective way to solve the main problem I mentioned earlier, feel free to reformat the bus deployments by package page. Thanks.

Regards, LTA Bus Irrationalisation

Bus History Page[edit]

Hi can the History page be kept untouched? I nearly missed out on Sv 78's amendment to Jurong Town Hall Int when doing a complication of the bus history for today (26 November)