User talk:TIB1152X 190

190 perms

Hi, may I know how do you define perms on 190? There has got to be a clear definition on the specific frequent appearances of DDs that are doing 190, as some DDs rotate.

Also, unless 107L is spotted doing the first few duties from Kampong Bahru, which have "sticky" single decker buses, I do not believe that 107L perms 190 unless proven otherwise. This is where I ask how frequent is 107L on 190.

In addition, I hope that you also keep track of the number of extra buses that is seen in the notes and do balance where necessary. Thanks and regards!

Reply: Fleet size and duties matter

Hi.

Those services that you have mentioned earlier use buses from other services, hence the total fleet size & duty count don't tally. It is somewhat the same as SBS, where there are instances of having more duties than buses, or lesser duties than buses even though the service does not practise jumpbus. Their fleet are not interchangeable like 61 & 991 case.

Hope this clarifies your query.

Re: 190 SDs count

Ah I see. Hopefully, I only saw about 6-7 SDs on 190 the previous Sundays. But I will check if there a total of 11 SDs on 190 during peak hours next Sunday.

Thanks,

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 00:55, 18 June 2024

Re: 975B observations

Hi, sorry for the late reply since I have been busy doing other stuff, but I am not sure if DDs from 975 will do 975B on Sundays but I promise that I will observe if it is random or it's from 975. I will update you when its done

Thanks,

Alphabetlorefan1 (talk) 22 June 2024, 00:35

302x190 high capacity bus crossover

Hi, may I ask is SG6244L the bus that does 302x190 crossover at 1616 hrs? Cos I have spotted all the other DDs running on 302 during PM peak (1800 - 1900 hrs). Thanks!

Edit: Also for 302A, the 3 AM and 3 PM buses are different. I suspect they are either 976 (most likely - 1574P and 1575L frequently seen), 970 or 188 crossovers but they are very random and sometimes 300 and 307 buses are used.

Shinjuku184

Re: SG6244L

Yea SG6244L OS from 302 around 12pm. Most likely 6244L perms this crossover. Bendies frequently replace missing 302 DDs so it probably also applies to 6244L.

As for 302A, I have seen 976-302-something on DDU before. 121U and 122S from 188 also frequently appear on either 302A or the full 302 crossover during PM peak.

Thanks for your reply

Re: 302A SDs

Yea 302A SDs are random but some appear more frequently than others like 1611, 1648 (Spare); 121, 122, 1580, 1581 (188); 1574, 1575 (976) and 970 SDs. These are also common on the full 302 evening crossover

Re: 184x302

Hi I am not sure what block number it is on, but you can catch it from Yew Tee Stn bus stop at around 5.50pm (its the first High-capacity bus after 4 consecutive 302 SDs).

From my observation it is almost always a svc184 Enviro500 or Bendy but it has characteristics of a 302 split shift duty opposite of SG6244L. It runs for a short while in the morning on 302A then run much longer in the evening on 302 until late night (whereas 6244L runs from early morning all the way until noon). I'm not sure if it runs on 184 during AM Off-Peak but its almost always a 184 perm bus

184 and 302 bendy buses

Hi, do help to KIV if 184 and 302 bendy buses that are still interchangeable. Also I have seen some 176 perm buses running on 190 often/some days. Need help to observe if its still interchangeable thanks.

RobloxXF

Reply

Regarding your first line in my message wall, not just bendies go onto their respective services but can still do 302 even when perm 184. Also, 190 bendy buses comes from both 184 & 302 based on my observations.

And, your third paragraph about 176 & 190 DDs, I would say they are still running, but sometimes it may also come from 184 to do 176 & 190, possibly might be interchangeable. And for 5018C, bus might be possibly spare bus if it were to run on other services or 176, but 190 is the main dominant for this bus. I hope you will look further observing. Thanks

RobloxXF

190x302A SD

Hi I don't think the 190x302A crossover still exists cos I have never seen any 190 SDs on 302A. 302A AM SDs are random but usually there is 1 from 188 (usually 1563 or OCs)

Re: 190x302A SD

I see. Thanks for the info. I suspect it is the bus that does not do a full 302 downroute from Yew Tee Stn for its final trip.

Re: SG6073M

Hi I'm not sure the exact time SG6073M OS but I only see it in the mornings. Most likely OS before 1pm.

Re: 302/302A deployments

Hi for 300x302 I'm not sure about the duty number but on one of the days last week, I saw 1498B on 300 in the afternoon and on 302 in the evening. I frequently see 300 SDs (especially 1498B, yesterday was 1512T) on 302 in the evening though not everyday.

For 188x302A I have seen a 188 SD (1563X or OC500LE 15T/121U/122S) almost every day since the schedule change

For 302-190-35, I really don't think it crossover to 302A. All 302A buses do multiple trips. None of them does only 1 trip. I think it does 302 crossover instead cos I have seen 1 extra bus on some days

Hi thanks for the info. I will continue to observe and gather as much info as possible. Cheers to you too!

Re: CCK bus deployments

Hi thanks for your info. 5014M and 5042G seem to run on 190 more frequently recently. I saw 5014M on Sat too. For 3572G I saw it on 190 much more than the other 176 DDs so I reckon it got redeployed to 190. Usually the 176 DDs that go to 190 only run for a day. With so many new intakes, I think 5019, 5032 and 5769 got deployed out of 190 probably to 184 or 985

For 302x190 (6073M), I think there are at least 3 departures. 2+pm from KBT, 4.12pm from CCK, there will be 3 departures if it goes back to CCK. Its duty number is 190-190-39 so I thought it was 302 AM and 190 PM

5023 and 5026

Hi 5026 has been running on 184 since it got the ITE ad. 5023 also runs on 184 much more often than on 190, including this week

SMB84T

Hi I have seen 84T on 190 with the new ad but for this week, it has been running daily on 972 AP slot. Usually WLBP svcs only use WLBP buses so I suspect it has been redeployed to 972 but KIV for now

Thanks for your info on 84T. For 3613, I have seen it on the other KJDEP svcs but it is usually on 190 since Nov. The KJDEP buses (67, 176, 184, 190, 985, feeders) cameo other KJ svcs frequently like the WLBP and Bulim buses (61, 172, 975, 983, 991). 5813B (985) also frequently runs on 190

302A

Hi

1) I added 1637S into the crossovers line with 122 and 1482 just to mean that it will only appear during AM peak. I cannot confirm it will crossover to another service cos I have never seen it elsewhere before, which is why I just left it as SMB1637S without any service behind. I can't possibly put it as SMB1637S (Service 190) right? Also if that duty really uses random SDs, shouldn't there be an 'Any Single-decker bus' line in the 190 fleet?

2) Since at least early Nov, 1637S operates on that 302A slot most of the time (but I'll not guarantee it has appeared every day cos I don't spot every single day). Other buses don't really appear anymore unlike last time.

3) Actually recently, 1637S is one of the random 302 PM peak SDs

302A

Hi 1637S' 302A duty is 188-28 not 190-35

3615S

Hi did you mistake 3615S for another bus? Don't think 3615S ever had Caltex ad recently according to sgwiki ad page history. 3615S' current ad is Illumi and it was still on 972 last week as well as 979 last week and today.

Reply

Hi, sorry for the late reply after I saw the message you wrote. You are right, 991 SDs are done on Weekdays Peak Hours.

Reminder

Hi, please be reminded to also update former deployment when updating deployment. The former deployment had been shifted from another page to the same table with deployment, under the same row, for your ease of update.

Perm

If you need help in preventing your edit from being reverted due to possible false editing, please frequently update the respective Bus Spotting Page on your spotting for 190/972/972M. These help to provide a concrete proof that the bus had appear on that service over a period of time. The bus spotting page is not for spotting of cameo only, but also for all other normal deployment too.

Supernutorcrazy (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2025 (+08)

5068H

Non-WLBP buses almost never run on WLBP services. Even more so on weekends when there are more extra buses so there is almost no need for 'cross-depot' deployments. So 5068 running on 979 on Sunday is highly indicative that it is a WLBP bus. Anyways 5068 has been running on 972 for quite a while (since at least Feb iirc) and is also spotted many times by Sgeditransport5929 according to the bus spotting page. Apparently it only came back to 190 yesterday (?) so we should KIV it for a while longer

302x190

Hi thanks for your info. From my observations 8024 is very sticky to its slot and almost always appears during both AM and PM peak. The bendies you saw on 190 were prob new spawns from depot since not all 6x 184 bendies run each day anyways.

As of now there should only be 5x DDs on 302 (all on AP) and I have seen all 5 on PM peak so I dont think theres any crossover to 190. 6011 and other 302 DDs you saw were prob upsize since that AM duty previously run by 6073 has been operated by SD since mid Apr. 6011 (and 5885) frequently MIA from 302 (prob to run on 190) for a week before coming back for a while and then go MIA again.

Cheers

Update: 302 has 2 S1 slots that end at 12pm - 8024P and 6073M. 8024P is still sticky and still ends at 12pm but 6073M's slot (which does crossover) has downgraded to SD and now it replaces MIA AP DDs. So I don't think there are anymore DD crossovers. Any HC with a 302 duty number on 190 is probably upsize

Re: 190 crossovers

Hi I really don't think there are any 190x983 as I almost never see any 190 buses on 983. I'm not too sure about 172 but I will keep a lookout

Re: 302-10

Hi

6073M used to be on 302-10 so I assumed 1573S is also 302-10. That AM slot has downgraded to SD since 14 Apr. It used to be run by random SDs until 1474U replaced 1573S and 1573S is sticky on that slot ever since.

If you saw 2 bendies specifically on AM peak it is highly likely the second one is one of the 190 to 302 AM crossovers. Then it just so happened that 302-10 PM also spawned a bendy cos bendies can also run on 190. Two bendies on 302 are very very rare on weekdays nowadays.

Re: 302 and 190 deployments

Hi. For 1502Y it was on 302 for 3 weeks straight before I made the edit. I am aware it got replaced by 1402 and other random buses immediately afterwards. For 1607D, it should be out and not on maintenance as I saw it on 67 and some other random services a few times. So most likely 1607 is out to SP, possibly replaced by 1502

302-302-12 always uses 190 buses (sometimes ADL 3 door) and I have seen the same bus on 190 during PM. There should only be 3 crossovers and no more during AM peak. This should be similar to 979-979-13 (always a 190 bus). For duty 23 I saw it as 190-190-23 as recent as April.

For interchangeable if you are referring to 67, 176, 184, 190; personally I disagree and this edit was not made by me

For 302-10, if you are referring to the change from 8AM 3S1 to 9AM to 2S1, this edit was also not made by me. 302-9 and 11 behave more like S shift so I slotted 302-10 into AM

Edit: Sure no worries. Also I saw 6242 on 972M recently

190 deployment

Hi user,

The EVs are starting to cameo around just like any other bus models. It would not be surprising if there are multiple occurrences on svcs like 190, 972/M & 976. It will be advisable to not always rush to conclude when there’s very limited evidences/appearances.

Add-ons:

FYI a few days consecutive deployment usually means nth unless that route has an obvious fleet overhaul or it’s a new route with very obvious patterns of deployment before confirmation of perm buses. Hope this clarifies.

Comment

Hi, I have noticed that there has been an edit war between you and user SG5064X.

For now, I would advise both parties to leave the Service 190 section unchanged, and invest some time to observe whether the e-bus deployment on Service 190 is indeed a permanent arrangement.

Thank you both for your understanding. Cheers.

172 fleet count

Hi, I’ll try my best to keep track of how many slots there are for 172 under GB, but for now I think 110B is perm. But for the DD slots under SL I think there’s at least 4 since I saw SG5395, SG5535, SG5573 and SG5575 on 13 October, the first day of dual depot. KIV 112X perm also. As for 975, I think there are at least 5 slots under SL. Do update me if there’s anything.

Cheers, TIB832Z

EV deployment

Hello, I think 190 Zhongtong N12 is probably already a perm deployment, esp since there were two units running split shift on 21 Nov. But just to make sure, KIV for the following week. Other than that 190 Zhongtong can be considered pretty much perm. Bendy wise I’m not too sure so I’m not gonna touch on that to avoid any errors. As for 976 I’m not sure if BYD is perm as sometimes Zhongtong will appear on 976 also. KIV Zhongtong perm deployment for 176 also since they appear quite often.